[Hide Comment] This is called the Windermere Boulders by the locals that climbed here before you guys. It is on private property and I suggest that you be careful about developing. Please don't wreck it for us .
Best to tread lightly here. I know the owners and they would not be happy knowing that you are encouraging people to trespass by posting that there is good bouldering on their property. Jun 25, 2014

[Hide Comment] Hey Kelly-
We were definitely aware of the history here. It was obvious that a few lines had been climbed given the 10 year old cut branches and the bench at the warm up wall :)
Considering there are no signs, the boulders are 10 feet from the main road, no fences or property lines, and the houses are more than 2-300 yards away, we deduced these boulders were accessible.

By no means is anyone encouraging trespassing like you suggested. I have removed the photo topo and directions. If there are access issues like you suggest, lets get them in stone so there is no longer discrepancy… Jun 26, 2014

[Hide Comment] I totally agree with you Tyler and sorry to sound so negative. It is not my intention. I have talked to the Forest Service and the owners about bouldering there and it is on private land. This is one of the reasons we stopped climbing at the spots in your mini guide. We always parked up on West Camino Cielo, and not on the private road. Just because it is not posted, doesn't mean that you are not trespassing . Stewardship is the key word here, and my main goal is to educate the younger climbers in our town about what is accepted and what is wrong. I have seen some really bad ethics in our town as well. As for your discoveries and future finds, I can only encourage you to keep up the good work! Jun 26, 2014

[Hide Comment] I have personally spoken with the manager of Windermere Ranch (in May), and he simply said "be careful, and don't do anything stupid". I introduced myself, explained who we were, and that was that. He seemed to be totally fine with things; his only concern was that we respect the "actual" Windermere Ranch boundaries—and that we didn't kill ourselves. Jun 30, 2014

[Hide Comment] Good to know you have spoken to the manager, but I actually know the owners. I have not climbed here for a long time, and I know you guys are renaming areas and problems as common practice. I still use the old names out of respect for the people that climbed here first. Is it common and acceptable practice to rename areas and boulder problems just because you did the work? I know a couple of the problems are new, but like the Creamery, most of them were done before. Jun 30, 2014

[Hide Comment] Kelly's points are good:

The lighter we step, the longer we climb. Access will always be an issue around here.

Kelly, I noticed that Tyler et all were naming problems mainly out of clarity. I've spoken at length with Tyler about his development (or re-development, as it were) of areas around SB, and I think he would be psyched if you and others contributed FA info and names. That stuff makes for fun history. Same goes for the Creamery. I think everyone would gladly relinquish their "new" names for the real names.

Thanks for the input, Kelly, and I'm glad you're contributing to these threads. Jul 1, 2014

[Hide Comment] I will see what I can do about getting hold of the old maps and problem list. I personally never cut a branch or put up any of the problems up at The Creamery or Windermere, but I was one of the first to visit and climb there. I only know a few of the original names , so perhaps it is best to assign new names for clarity like you have been doing. Keep up the good work! Jul 1, 2014

[Hide Comment] I'm all for keeping a low profile and being good stewards of this area. That said, I've looked at the public lands maps pretty carefully and am mostly sure all the boulders here are on public land. Everything on the south side of the road is public and all the major areas on the north side of the road (Warm-Up Boulder) are also on public land, as long as you don't stray too far from the road. FYI, from my research.
Aug 23, 2016

[Hide Comment] This is interesting. During my interactions with the manager of the adjacent ranch, I sensed that he felt in charge of the area, if not the actual legal guardian. Basically, he simply asked that I keep a pleasantly low profile and don't cause a ruckus. My guess is that he always assumed all that land was his to manage. The map seems to dictate otherwise.

However, I would still proceed with caution, since it would suck for an argument to break out, no matter how in the right you are. To all those out there seeking to explore Windermere, climb quiet, but climb regardless. It's a worthy area. Aug 23, 2016