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By Mike Dallin
Apr 6, 2011

Darin Berdinka wrote:
"You would be fine to walk into any park you'd like to-" Are you sure about this? During the shutdown 15 years ago anyone staying at a park had 48 hours to leave no exceptions.


I remember during the 1995 shutdown you could not hike in Rocky Mountain National Park, even if you parked outside the Park and hiked across the boundary. They kepts a few law enforcement rangers on duty to ticket you if they found you. I remember reading editorials and talking to friends who snuck in anyway. I don't know if it will be different this time or if it differed from park to park, but I would assume you couldn't hike in for day use.


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By Tyson Anderson
From Las Vegas, NV
Apr 6, 2011
Rapping from the top of Cat in the hat

Looks like they will still keep law enforcement around so there will still be people there to kick you out...

A Department of the Interior spokesperson said, "the National Park Service, Fish and Wildlife Service and Bureau of Land Management will close and secure park, refuge and visitor facilities on public lands. Limited personnel needed to protect life and property on public lands, such as law enforcement, emergency services and firefighting personnel, will be exempted from furlough."

from that abc news story linked above


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By BDergay
From Eldorado
Apr 6, 2011
Jayy-Dogg on rappel

I remember the last time they shut down- My sister was visiting and I took her to first trip to the desert-- Arches NP... Only to find a locked gate and a ranger saying "nope."

They even installed a gate at the north rim of the Black Canyon, just so they'd have something to lock!! Previously there was nothing there!


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By Scott Miller
From Denver, CO
Apr 6, 2011
the canyon

Does this reading this make anyone else have feelings of anger?

Also does this closure effect BLM land as well?


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By Phil Lauffen
From The Bubble
Apr 6, 2011
RMNP skiing. Photo by Nodin de Saillan

Scott Miller wrote:
Does this reading this make anyone else have feelings of anger? Also does this closure effect BLM land as well?


Yes! What other job besides being a congressman can you get paid $174,000(not to mention other benefits) for being so ineffective your place of work has to shut down?


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By RadTrad
From Prescott, Arizona
Apr 6, 2011
Storm over on Toms Thumb

Fuck the government trying to close parks. just go and climb their any way...if their closed that means no ones gonna be around checking around anyways


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By Phil Lauffen
From The Bubble
Apr 6, 2011
RMNP skiing. Photo by Nodin de Saillan

Paul U Roberts wrote:
Fuck the government trying to close parks. just go and climb their any way...if their closed that means no ones gonna be around checking around anyways


If you read the rest of the thread you will realize how wrong you are.


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By nick serrano
From Albuquerque, NM
Apr 6, 2011
Chest Full of Kind (IC 5.10)

Scott Miller wrote:
Also does this closure effect BLM land as well?


I imagine it would affect BLM fee areas (such as Red Rock). Good luck trying to shut down all the BLM holdings. Too much turf, nobody to patrol it even when fully staffed.


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By P.K.
Apr 6, 2011

Mark Nelson wrote:
What if N Korea invades Zion, who will protect us?


Did you find the draft of my movie script for "Red Dawn 2015" that I left at the crag? If so please return....


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By Dirty Gri Gri, or is it GiGi?
From Vegas
Apr 6, 2011
Growing a winter coat in Red Rock Canyon- December 2013.

Damn, it would really suck if there's a government shutdown; I got my Quik-Clots, space blanket, and a bottle of tequila all packed, and ready to go to the Maze in Canyonlands, Utah.

...some of our congressmen these days are pretty pathetic; I bet our founding fathers' are rolling over in their graves right about now.


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By Andrew Gram
Administrator
From Salt Lake City, UT
Apr 6, 2011
Andrew Gram

I don't think you'll have any trouble getting into the Maze. I've never seen a ranger there ever.


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By Allen Hill
From FIve Points, Colorado and Pine
Apr 6, 2011
Slick Rock put in

There's always a ranger at Hans Flat if your coming in that way. From Lake Powell that's a different story. Be sure to have tire chains for your jeep this time of year. If it snows or rains you'd have a very hard time climbing back up the Flint Trail without them.


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By Alex Burton
From Colorado Springs, CO
Apr 6, 2011
Family at the Gym

I was at Red Rocks in 95/96 over New Years when the big federal shut down happened. The loop road was closed but there was a make shift camp ground just off the highway with a water tanker and porta potties set up. Can't remember if the feds set that up or a generous donor. We just hiked into everything from there and had a phenomenal trip despite the closer.


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By Francis Kelsey
Apr 6, 2011

just walk through the gate no one will be there if they close the parks belong to us - we pay for them. The gov can't shut them down. Although there are much bigger worries than climbing in parks if this does indeed happen....


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By BSU_Zac
From Cedar City, UT
Apr 7, 2011
Little Black Dike, February 2013

As of recently I've been hired to Zion for Mid-May through End-August. All the talk with my employer has been positive that I will be starting at that time regardless of congress as its effects won't carry that far into the year. When is your trip planned? Like mentioned before the closure may only be a week or so in length.


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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Apr 7, 2011
You stay away from mah pig!

Andy Novak wrote:
I hear you, but it has happened in the past and is a possibility. The first one was 8 days, second was 17 days. ALL Park land is closed. No Ranger to patrol = a big gate across the entrance. NO bikes or foot traffic allowed. Hopefully it wont happen though; I'm keeping my fingers crossed just for Morgan.


During one of the shutdowns in the 1990s, we biked into Zion, had the entire park to ourselves. It was nice doing popular hikes with not another person around.


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