Zappa Wall 

Jesse - most of the routes you have posted in this section were established by previous generations of climbers and have different names or are unnamed. To use convenient modern names is disrespectful to the history of the area. There is a reason the cliff is called the Zappa Wall. If a route name is not known, then it should be listed simply as “Unknown”. It is inappropriate to rewrite history.

As the internet, and therefore Mountain Project, is not static or fixed, I am not rewriting anything. I am very aware of the fact that all of these routes have been done and re-done again. My intentions are not to claim any of these route as mine, or to rewrite history as you say. As names and FA parties become available, I will change and update the routes. I do not agree that it is disrespectful. I simply give it a name to differentiate between climbs as having 20-30 "unknowns" would be confusing. In my mind, part of putting the Zappa Wall and other walls on here serves as a whipping post for sussing out the history as it has quiet a mixed bag of info. If you have names and FA parties, please let me know, so that I may provide the due credit.

I have gone through the route names and eliminated some of the wording that is not purely descriptive.

Thank you for being forward in addressing route names, Jesse. I understand that you are trying to be helpful rather than claiming routes. The use of descriptions in the “name field” of listed climbs is interpreted as a name whether that is the intent or not. Even if most climbers understand the difference, the descriptions have a way of turning into names over time. If succinct references to climbs are needed, consider a numbering system – Unknown 1, 2 or A, B, etc.

I will agree with that. When I have some time, I will go through and redo the pictures/ route descriptions.
-Jesse

I completely disagree with Kangaru Rat.

Jesse, I think you've done a great job adding these routes to the database. It is the necessary first step in the process of compiling an accurate history of the area. If people with any helpful information (pay attention Kangaru Rat) want to offer their knowledge of the routes or the area's history, then they are free to do so and the routes can be updated appropriately.

Until then, I don't think it is necessary to pollute the database with countless "unknowns" or "route As". Jesse's descriptions are sufficient and respectful.

Thank you for adding pictures and route info.

Just to reaffirm that we are not trying to rename anything out here. It is just easier to refer to previously established routes (without a shared written history) with a name that is descriptive of the crack itself. Anyone with actual information (names) feel free to share them and they can and will be updated.