Login with Facebook
 ADVANCED
Would you buy this product? Walk Offs - protect your rock shoes
View Latest Posts in This Forum or All Forums
   Page 1 of 4.  1  2  3  4   Next>   Last>>
Follow replies to this topic? Notify me at the top of web site.
1

Email me.
 
 
By Enasser
Mar 10, 2013

Hey Everyone,

We came up with a product that slips on top of climbing shoes so you can belay, walk around between climbs, and walk off multi pitches without having to take off your rock shoes.

Walk offs
Walk offs


This product is not meant for agressive climbers with curled toes. This product is meant for the average climber who HATES having the sole of their shoe destroyed by pebbles, twigs, and dirt when their walking between sport routes outside. This can also be used as an approach shoe that you can wear without your rock shoes.

The Walk Off would have an elastic type strap that can adjust to fit multiple size climbing shoes snugly. There will be easy access to put it on and remove it. The toe cap will be a mesh nylon that breathes will but can still hold up to rocks if you happen to catch it on something.Finally, the sole will be similar to a hiking shoe tread so it can take a beating.

We are looking to start a crowdfunding campaign to create our product and bring it to market. It would retail from $30-$60. Please fill out the survey and let us know what you think!!!!

All feedback good and bad is appreciated!!

Thanks,

Elliot and Lawrence

Founders
Walk Offs - rock shoe skins


FLAG
By TWK
Mar 10, 2013

Probably wouldn't buy them, but I'd have to see them to be sure. "Slipping into something more comfortable" for approach and descent is more important to me than protecting climbing shoes. I also don't think they'd be secure enough on climbing shoes to be anything other than a pain in the ass.


FLAG
By S Denny
From Carbondale, CO
Mar 10, 2013

I feel like boulderers would buy them maybe. big maybe. definitely don't think they'll ever replace approach shoes for walk offs


FLAG
By Wilson On The Drums
From Woodbury, MN
Mar 10, 2013
best in the hills

I use an oversized pair of $10 slippers from walmart that I use when I'm working boulder problems. Keeps my feet warm and I can move the pads around easily if the problems are close... Works so far.


FLAG
By Crag Dweller
From New York, NY
Mar 10, 2013
My navigator keeps me from getting lost

It's a creative idea.

I wouldn't buy it, though, because I wear shoes tight enough that I don't want to wear them any longer than the climbing requires. Come to think of it, I don't know anyone who wears shoes that they would want to wear around at the base of the crag.

And, if it's a short enough walk off that I can handle wearing my shoes, it's also short enough that I'm not all that worried about wearing down my shoes.


FLAG
By Jaime M
From Chattanooga, TN
Mar 10, 2013
Much love for the rock

My gut feeling is the market would be limited to multipitch trad. I could see this as a lightweight alternative to carrying an extra pair of shoes for a rappel.

Some stuff you may want to think about/address for marketing:
1. I'm sure these would still create some wear on the climbing shoes--not at much as bare climbing rubber, it's true, but it would still soften the forefoot sole and possibly wear down the rubber/round the toe--similar to walking around on a padded gym floor.

2. My climbing shoes aren't comfortable enough to make me want to walk around in them. And if I have to sit down and go through the action of putting something on my foot, I may as well just slip my climbing shoes off and my chacos on.


FLAG
By CJC
Mar 10, 2013

wearing just those on an approach/descent? madness.

I can see their functionality although I'd never use my climbing shoes for walk-offs. good luck!


FLAG
By S Denny
From Carbondale, CO
Mar 10, 2013

Also they would NEVER EVER EVER EVER sell for more than $18


FLAG
 
By Enasser
Mar 10, 2013

I appreciate all the comments so far. Thanks for the tips and the feedback also Jaime.


FLAG
By Em Cos
From Boulder, CO
Mar 10, 2013

It's a creative idea, but if a descent is too long or tough for barefoot, and I'm going to go to the trouble of clipping something to my harness and carrying it up a climb, it would be sandals or actual shoes. I just don't see the point in carrying a pair of something, and sitting down to put them on, and still having the discomfort of hiking in climbing shoes.


FLAG
By Evan Sanders
From Westminster, CO
Mar 10, 2013
Flaming Pumpkin

+1 to the lightweight rappel shoes. Would i buy one? Maybe, but for not for 30-60 bucks. Maybe at 10-15.


FLAG
By Erik W
From Bay Area, CA
Mar 10, 2013
North face of Ama Dablam - taken on approach to Kongma La.

I wouldn't buy them. Main walkoff issue isn't wear on climbing shoes, it's discomfort in climbing shoes (paired with weight of approach shoes during the climb). Bought a pair of the Evolve Cruzer shoes this year... perfect for the application. Merrell barefoot shoes would be perfect too. Both quite pricey, but no more so than entry level climbing shoes.

Keep up the innovation though.


FLAG
By Jim Titt
From Germany
Mar 10, 2013

There was something like that on the market 10 or 15 years ago, Boreal perhaps?
Anyway no thanks.


FLAG
By reboot
From Westminster, CO
Mar 10, 2013

Enasser wrote:
This product is not meant for aggressive climbers with curled toes. This product is meant for the average climber who HATES having the sole of their shoe destroyed by pebbles, twigs, and dirt when their walking between sport routes outside.

Let's be honest here, this is a kind of luxury item w/ very few practical uses. As a luxury item, you don't want to market it as for the average climber (is that a nicer way than saying gumbie?) The average flat-soled climbing shoe is not expensive enough for this product. But you know what is? the TC Pro. It's the most expensive climbing shoe. It's used by Tommy Caldwell, Alex Honold, etc. It's not particularly durable. And best of it all, it's widely popular w/ the gumbies. So whatever you do, make sure to feature a pair of TC Pro in your advertisement: a $30-$60 investment (that doesn't insult your gumbie status) to protected a $180 pair of shoes you didn't need, all of a sudden doesn't sound so bad, does it?


FLAG
By Dave Jones
Mar 10, 2013

average climber, tc-pro, gumbie...
damnit I hate that when that happens.


FLAG
By 20 kN
From Hawaii
Mar 10, 2013

reboot wrote:
But you know what is? the TC Pro.

The TC Pro may cost $180, but every rock shoe costs the exact same to resole (which is generally $30 w/o midsole). Walking around in a climbing shoe will not typically damage it beyond repair, it just means you have to resole it sooner. So no, I dont think this product is any more valuable for the TC Pro than it is for the Evolv Defy.


FLAG
 
By Kid Icarus
Mar 10, 2013
Self Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man

The plus side is that a whole new category of spray for sending climbs in your Walk Offs could be created.


FLAG
By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Mar 10, 2013
El Chorro

A for effort, but no. If it's a long walk off then you probably took your approach shoes with you on the route because the walk off doesn't pass back by the base of the route. If it's a short walk off then you just do it in your climbing shoes. If you are a sport climber you don't wear your climbing shoes between routes and if you are a boulderer you are too cool for anything like The Walk Off.


FLAG
By rogerbenton
Mar 10, 2013
Whoever this guy is, he's just plain irresponsible.

would not buy this product regardless of cost.

for me wanting to swap shoes for the walk off happens due to comfort issues long before "wear" is a concern.

and this is true even in flat comfy "all day trad " shoes.


FLAG
By doligo
Mar 10, 2013
Jose Cuervo Fruitcups dirtbag style

Enasser wrote:
We came up with a product that slips on top of climbing shoes so you can belay, walk around between climbs, and walk off multi pitches without having to take off your rock shoes... It would retail from $30-$60.


That shoe has already been invented and retails at your target price, they're called Sanuks. I suspect you could get an oversized pair and slip them over your rock shoes, but why? And no, I could never justify to pay retail for Sanuks. For long and/or technical walk offs I'd want something sturdier.


FLAG
By Kevin Mokracek
From Burbank
Mar 10, 2013
whitney east buttress

The first thing I want to do is take my shoes off, not keep them on and put something over them to make my feet even hotter and more uncomfortable. Props for the idea but I just dont see it getting wings.


FLAG
By Brendan Blanchard
From Strafford, NH
Mar 10, 2013
Obi Wan Ryobi - Darth Vader Crag, Rumney NH

Same as above: At that price-point, they're less versatile, but similar in price to Sanuks, Evolv Cruzers, or people just prefer their approach shoes for comfort.

+1 to you for: Not creating the product, THEN advertising it. Also, taking criticism and not defending your "cam extractor" indignantly. And finally, for not coming to beg for money for your project. Proper crowd funding is the way to go.


FLAG
By lucander
From Stone Ridge, NY
Mar 10, 2013
Lucander off the GT Ledge on p. 2 of Keep on Struttin.

I'd spend $15, maybe $20.


FLAG
By Nick K
From Somerville, MA
Mar 10, 2013

I can't say I understand the need (or even the existence of a market) at any price.

If the walk off is mellow, I go barefoot. If it's super gnarly, I wouldn't want to wear these, I'd opt for actual shoes.

The 10' between sport routes? Barefoot or $5 sandals.

Spotting boulderers? Again, barefoot or $5 sandals.

The only market I can see is casual climbers who think 'Oh, that's a neat idea', buys a pair, uses them once, and forgets they have them/stops climbing 10 minutes later anyway. Not likely to be good for repeat business or word of mouth.

Also, I'm not really sure who the average climber in your mind is, even the folks climbing 5.7 at the sport crag seem to be doing it in at least slightly aggressive shoes these days.


FLAG
 
By Aric Datesman
Mar 10, 2013

In a word, no. If I'm belaying, the (uncomfortable) rock shoes aren't on. And if it's a long walk-off, I'm taking comfortable shoes for it.

Sorry, but solution looking for a problem. :-(


FLAG
By Woodchuck ATC
Mar 10, 2013
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008

they gotta be step-ins for me..If I gotta bend over to add these, I might as well change to comfy shoes to belay or hike...Sorry...


FLAG


Follow replies to this topic? Notify me at the top of web site.
1

Email me.
Page 1 of 4.  1  2  3  4   Next>   Last>>