Will you miss MP.com app?

I don't mind paying, but I don't see any point too.

it's 10 bucks one time. that's totally worth it for the times that i only spend a day or two in a new area and don't want to pay to buy a whole guidebook for an area i'll probably never go back to. hell, if i avoid buying a single guidebook EVER in the whole time i have the app it pays or itself.

skitch wrote:I don't mind paying, but I don't see any point too.

Then don't?

skitch wrote:I don't mind paying, but I don't see any point too.

As someone else said. "$10 for basically a guidebook to everywhere."

There is the point.

As a last resort the app is a ok. I see my boyfriend using it now and then. To me though the guidebook is part of the adventure and the experience. I do enjoy a good guidebook! If new in the area, scavenging for beta, scouting, getting prints off at the local gear shop, getting the insider scoop and the best guidebook is a total part of the whole climbing experience for me. I enjoy it much more than just looking at an app and don't mind to spend time and or money doing it.

The Countess of Monterey wrote:To me though the guidebook is part of the adventure and the experience.

.....gee whiz.

And, yes, I'll miss it. The app/MP doesn't cover most of the areas I frequent. If I am going to spend alot of time at a popular crag like the TWall, RRG, Indian Creek, I prefer to have a proper guidebook or person familiar with the area. For big trade routes like Kor Ingalls, Triple Overhangs, something big in the Valley, or elsewhere, I rely on MP.com or the internet at large, generally.

Uh is the app going somewhere?

I'm torn. The app is great for modern beta in places like the gunks with crusty-ass guidebooks not updated since 1970. On the other hand it's all user-submitted content so the quality varies, and no area maps or topos make finding climbs difficult. It's a good supplement to a guidebook but not a replacement.

No, I won't miss it at all. I'll pay the $10.

In addition to everything Jake said above, its a nice backup to a guide book. On more than one occasion, I've forgotten a guidebook at camp, or at home, so in a pinch, I use MP. I also find that while its coverage is spottier than good guidebooks, its is often-times very complementary.

$10 is very much worth it IF you're someone who will use it. MP app saved me a few times in Josh when the VERY current books didn't have accurate info on a few anchors.

$10 is such a SMALL amount compared to everything else in climbing ...

Someone spent the time developing the app and site... if someone said I had to develop my own app to access MP on my phone it would take a lot more than $10 of my time. That, and the effort to register, maintain, and purchase the data space. Only fair we pay for it. I paid $30 each for my Red River Gorge & New River Gorge apps. Totally worth, it, even if they didn't ask us to I would as a donation (like to Wikipedia, which saves me a lot!) I'm sure you've wasted $10 on something less useful!

Brad M wrote:I'm torn. The app is great for modern beta in places like the gunks with crusty-ass guidebooks not updated since 1970. On the other hand it's all user-submitted content so the quality varies, and no area maps or topos make finding climbs difficult. It's a good supplement to a guidebook but not a replacement.

Where have you been? Dick Williams guide to The Trapps at the Gunks was published in 2004, and the guide to The Near Trapps was published in 2008. Since the publications of those two guides there were a few new 5.13 routes.

Even to already well documented areas, the beta here can be very good. You gain a multitude of perspectives. For major areas, the app can supplement rather than replace the guide. For small areas not worth the guidebook bother, it replaces.

It remains to be seen that these sort of resources will "kill" the guidebook. I don't buy it. And if it does, the guidebook will have merely evolved. I like the democracy inherent to these resources, but, then again, you lose the potential interpretive power that one genius person properly framing an area can deliver. 'Course, you lose the deadwood too.

I have been using the MP app since it first came out. I originally paid when it was only $5 and then shortly after it went "free for a limited time." Then this kept happening which was great.

Since I use the APP almost daily and also in conjunction with guidebooks I will be renewing my subscription. I have found it to be extremely in valuable and in all honesty life saving. Or at least time saving, which in turn became life saving.

This is a great app and I am more the willing to pay to help support it and make it better.

If you are looking to pick up some new gear or even dump some of your old gear the app alone is worth the savings!

Not to mention the benefits of a forewarning when killer bees, bears, mountain lions and such are about!

Indeedy i do! Scouting and searching is my most favorite thing! If a climb is just given to me its not the same than if i had to jump through hoops to find it. Especially if its a lovals only gem and such. I love that $hit!

After I climb a route sometimes I like checking MP to see what other people think of it. Often it's very different from what the FA thought.

It's not like they are charging $100, OP's op just sounds like such a cheap thing to say I wonder if it was posted just to start discussion. $10 isn't worth much these days, it's "almost" one quickdraw. Sometimes I go to the bathroom at work, and before I know it I wasted $10 worth of time.

Then don't pay it!
I am more than happy to pay a one time $10 for unlimited guidebooks usable offline, forums, more detailed info than many guidebooks, and a coherent way for me to track my climbing.
I have a number of sucky guidebooks with limited beta, and they were $25-55! Instead I can carry my iPhone/camera/guidebook in my pocket for $10.

Shit, at this point I've gotten my $10 worth out of Mountain Project just buying and selling gear.

With all the information access I'd probably be willing to pay a lot more than $10.

Support the community or get off MP.com

In fact, can I pay my $10 now or do I need to wait till the 15th and pay on iTunes?

Before the app even came out, I did a 2-year road trip guided almost exclusively by saved offline pages from mp.com on my smartphone. Twice I settled in a new state and had to figure out climbing around me from scratch - same thing. The app made this process even more convenient.
In the last 4 years I visited somewhere between 100 and 200 new climbing areas in US, Canada and Mexico. I only had to buy a guidebook twice - in Yosemite and RRG.

In 95% of cases climbing with an app feels more adventurous than with a guidebook. In rare cases you are lucky to find a map of the area and sometimes there would be a picture of the rock with a route line, but if anything the app challenges your ability to figure out where you are, look at the rock, recognize classics, figure out approximate difficulty and then compare it to the list of stars and numbers. It's a very fun process.

real quick, what if you paid for the app a year or two ago when it still cost money? Like, I have already paid 1o bucks.