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Feb 24, 2008
Hey Killis,
Great job protecting our access to the VRG...I am sure that stealing a bunch of first clip draws is decreasing the climbing impact in this sensitive area significantly. After all everyone who's draws you stole are all sponsored, so it's no big deal...just taking back from the MAN. I guess you have taken it a few too many times from the Man anyways right?

I am guessing you also brought your spray bottle up there to wash off some chalk and a shovel to work on the trail right? Boy you sure sound like a good Samaritan, too bad we don't have more of your type around here on the Front Range.

Just keep telling yourself that you are stealing for the common good of the climbing community....You know what Karma is right?
Kevin Stricker
From Evergreen, CO
Joined Oct 20, 2002
646 points
Feb 24, 2008
  Third bolt on last pitch of cheetah
Permadraws are never okay.
Take you gear home with you, or you are donating it to anybody with a stick clip.
Keep in mind this kind of thing has affected acess in other crags.
mikewhite
Joined Feb 28, 2007
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Mar 3, 2008
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I would say it is only appropriate on routes that are severely overhung or otherwise difficult to clean. Also it depends on the other user groups in the area and how popular it is to them. If the access is sensitive, say private land or popular with groups such as hikers or birdwatchers, I'd say the draws are not appropriate.

Whether you are for fixed draws or not, I don't think anyone can say they look good. Hell I'm an avid sport climber and I personally think bolts look terrible.

An example of nessacary but terrible looking that comes to mind for me is The Bunkers at Foster Falls. I love the ease of clipping and not having to retrieve draws afterwards, but man it sure looks bad.
bbrock
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Mar 3, 2008
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The Larry wrote:
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Before this thing blows up all over MP.com I'll let you all know that it's a (very sophisticated) troll. And I'm the only idiot that got caught up in it.

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Marc H
From Lafayette, CO
Joined May 10, 2007
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Mar 3, 2008
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Depends on the area.

If the access is really sensitive, gotta clean them all. In one such area, I watched a couple of dudes cleaning draws from a 60' horizontal roof once, yehaww! Non-trivial stunt to get all the draws back...
Greg Barnes
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Mar 5, 2008
Which way again?
Where was that, Greg? And what motivated the cleanup, in your opinion? Cunning Linguist
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Mar 5, 2008
Which way again?
BTW, that thread was wild-reminds me that I should be out enjoying life and not reading the tabloids! Cunning Linguist
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