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By JayDee
Jun 10, 2011
Mike, i had to chime in on this subject. P90X was perfect for me, i work in an office job and climb steep rock and only get to climb one day a week. with the program you get the workout videos,12 of them and all you have to do is plug in the one for the day and copy what they do. As people say it is hard, i stuck to the diet plan about 80% and the workouts about 90%. At the end of the 90days i lost about 18 pounds and tripled my pushups and almost tripled pullups. As mentioned it has cardio and weight training, but it also has yoga and stretch which is incorperated in the program and helps prevent you from getting injured. It's overal result is lighter, stronger, more flexable, and stronger core, how could it not help your climbing? During the program the first three weeks my climbing suffered, but after that it began to improve. After doing the 90days i usually take a month or two off and only do some cardio and core before i start it again. I did P90X 3 years ago, i've repeated it about 5 times, did P90X+ 2 times, i started climbing when i was 17, i am now 50 and climbing better than i ever have due to the program. So my advice, if you're not on a training program, do it.

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By Camp
From Santa Fe, NM
Oct 25, 2011
Two words: Mountain Athlete

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By Copperhead
Oct 25, 2011
Mike Anderson wrote:
I think what he means to say is that you CAN'T increase your strength and weight equally only through hypertrophy. Muscle strength scales with the muscle cross sectional area, while muscle weight scales with it's volume. So, if you increased a muscle's strength 10%, it's area would increase 10%, so it's volume would increase 15%. SQRT(1.1)*1.1 = 1.15 --> 15%



Your reasoning has an error here. If the strength of a single muscle increases with cross-sectional area, then the volume will also increase propotionally with increased cross-sectional area. The muscle doesn't get 10% longer, after all, which is what you appear to have assumed above.

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By Sir Wanksalot
From County Jail
Oct 25, 2011
Shamus Gaffney wrote:
Get yourself a Shake Weight. Even if your climbing doesn"t improve, you'll hone other valuable skills.


+1. YEESSS!

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By germsauce
Oct 25, 2011
Hippos kill people
I've been doing circuit classes (i assume the workout is similar to what P90x does for you, hard aerobic x's reps of body weight exercises targeting various muscle groups) it hasn't helped a ton with my sport/face climbing and/or bouldering, but where i have noticed it helped is with more physical full body climbing like pure crack/OW at Indian Creek. I seem to be able to catch my breath better and maintain my endurance to the top of routes there.
In any case, the limiting factor in most of my climbing has been forearm endurance and technique, i think those are more important to train than anything else. i.e. your better off spending time climbing 25-50 routes a week and on the hangboard/campus board than wailing on your pecs while some guy in spandex shorts yells at you.

If you need to lose weight, that's another story. FYI i lost about 8 pounds last month due to Giardia, been sending harder than ever since. i don't recommend Giardia as a program in and of itself, but coupled with a good cardio and climbing schedule it can work wonders. wear a diaper.

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By slim
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Nov 7, 2011
tomato, tomotto, kill mike amato.
Copperhead wrote:
Your reasoning has an error here. If the strength of a single muscle increases with cross-sectional area, then the volume will also increase propotionally with increased cross-sectional area. The muscle doesn't get 10% longer, after all, which is what you appear to have assumed above.


i wondered that also. another interesting thing that i read today on the self coached climber website said that to double strength, a muscle needs to increase in volume 4 times - which doesn't seem right. i had always read/heard that strength is generally related to cross sectional area, and that doubling the area would double the strength. to increase the volume of the muscle you would also hvae to double the length, which probably isn't happening.

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