What's New

I am not winding up anybody but have folks noticed if one clicks on "What's New" on the MP site it is now almost completely taken over by Bouldering and Sport climbing . If on the rare occasions a Trad climb is mentioned it is usually as with the sport climbs a single pitch route,and if more than one pitch it is usually at quite a low grade.I guess its the way things are now ... or is it that Sport and Boulderers are now by far the majority of MP users.

Sport climbers and boulderers are definitely the majority not only on mountain project, but in climbing all around I'd say. That said, traditionalists are definitely the loudest when it comes to sharing their ethics, opinions, and spraying in the forums... However, that's just my personal opinion.

Leif E wrote:Sport climbers and boulderers are definitely the majority not only on mountain project, but in climbing all around I'd say. That said, traditionalists are definitely the loudest when it comes to sharing their ethics, opinions, and spraying in the forums... However, that's just my personal opinion.

Well as you strongly point out you are perhaps the greatest majority on MP. I guess it might be a just a bit disappointing to some that you are.You have the credit of moving indoor climbing to the outside... Perhaps you would like the trad climbers to just leave the site and move on ? . However from what I see I think the trad climbers are well behind the sporties for spraying as you put it.. just look at WHATS NEW>,you have also have just shown that being one of the the first to respond.Just an observation .....

Little Chamonix wrote: However from what I see I think the trad climbers are well behind the sporties for spraying as you put it.. just look at WHATS NEW

If I'm understanding you correctly, then adding routes to the database=spraying? If you want more long trad routes on the site then go climb some that haven't been posted and add them. You can also sort routes in an area according to trad, sport, boulder, etc. If all the boulders and sport routes piss you off so much, then don't look at them. I just don't see your point I guess.

Daniel Winder wrote: If all the boulders and sport routes piss you off so much, then don't look at them. I just don't see your point I guess.

He needs his proclivities validated and MP isn't getting the job done.

Depends on if you've got "what's new" dialed down for your area. I've found that routes will get posted in quick succession, and one area or another will fill up the feed.

I mean, if a new bouldering area with like 20 new problems was posted up in an hour or so, then yeah, it'll seem like only new bouldering stuff is going up. But if a new crack-climbing area was just posted up, then you'll see a ton of trad stuff going in.

You can change your favorite areas to reflect where you want to climb, and it'll report on new developments there. Personally, I couldn't care less if there's a rash of new boulders or sport climbs in the UK, because its most of the way around the world from me. But if a bunch of V10s put up in Pennsylvania really give you indigestion, you might want to cross Pittsburgh off your bucket list.

Most of the hard & quality traditionally protected routes have already been sent by the strong boulderers and sport climbers, what else do you expect them to do?

reboot wrote:Most of the hard & quality traditionally protected routes have already been sent by the strong boulderers and sport climbers, what else do you expect them to do?

Well if that's the case what can one say ,if now the boulderers and sport climbers have cleaned up all the quality trad routes in the world I can now see why carrying mattress's around and shouting take is all that's left for them to do..Anyway I guess you have put me in my place ... Good one.

It's usually a little easier to go out and get a few fa's on a boulder then it is a mountain!

The issue I am seeing with the statement is that there are very few boulderers even talking on the forum much. The bouldering section might get something posted in it a few times a month.

What we need is a nice "what kind of rack should I buy" or "which rope is best". It's been a while since we've seen one.

What is everyone using the search function or sumfthin?

mustardtiger wrote:It's usually a little easier to go out and get a few fa's on a boulder then it is a mountain!

Wow never thought of that,and you get the same amount of MP credit points ... I guess that solves all my questions .....Go for it lads.

Really? MP credit points? I kind of don't think that is the reason why folks post new routes, as I thought the general purpose of MP was to serve as a sort of an online database of areas and routes. I generally climb both trad and sport, and I post routes that are not in the database. However, since most of the trad stuff I do is already posted, I end up posting only the sport routes. I get that you really, really dislike sport climbing, but I don't know what kind of tradie persecution complex trip you are on.

Little Chamonix wrote:I am not winding up anybody but have folks noticed if one clicks on "What's New" on the MP site it is now almost completely taken over by Bouldering and Sport climbing .

I just clicked on the "what's new" tab for the first time today and I counted 7 new sport climbs, and 7 new trad climbs.

So that's 14 roped climbs 1-3 pitches in length compared to 26 problems. Even with those numbers, there is still way more feet of rock added to the site being climbed with a rope than with a pad.

I'm sorry your feelings got hurt. We'll do better next time.

I'm a boulder, I'm better than other climbers because I climb really hard distilled problems. It's pure movement, gear is distraction.

I'm a sport climber, I'm better than other climbers because I can climb at a performance level for sustained periods of time. I'm also really good at taking falls and catching them.

I'm a trad climber, I'm better than other climbers because of my skill with route finding and technical gear. My objectives are also usually more adventurous than sport climbing or bouldering objectives.

I'm an ice climber, I'm better than other climbers because my tools are rad looking instruments of zombie death. And leading is dangerously committing.

All climbers- I'm better then other climbers because it's some other climber's trash, impact, dog acting out, kid crying, poop on the ledge, blasting beyounce, dangerous belaying or rapping, come in huge groups, tp, leaving chalk, etc, etc, etc.

Like it or not, we're all generally perceived as one group, and we're all pretty judgemental. Hell is other people?

And seriously folks, we all know committing multipitch trad is the best... ;)

the schmuck wrote:Really? MP credit points? I kind of don't think that is the reason why folks post new routes, as I thought the general purpose of MP was to serve as a sort of an online database of areas and routes. I generally climb both trad and sport, and I post routes that are not in the database. However, since most of the trad stuff I do is already posted, I end up posting only the sport routes. I get that you really, really dislike sport climbing, but I don't know what kind of tradie persecution complex trip you are on.

Well its not really that all sport climbs are to my dislike as some of the longer ones I've climbed in Cochise for example are are very fine routes. Its the noise in some of the sport areas that I've found a bit disagreeable. I have been on quite a few FA's of sport climbs but agree they are not my favorite pastime.I of course must admit I do feel that climbers who only do sport climbing and bouldering more so in crowded areas are missing out on the high hills and the wilderness experience that was the foundation of the "sport"...ok each to his own . In the States you are very lucky to have the the choice of so much unclimbed rock without having to bang away putting lines of bolts up short bits of rock that only test physical ability. I still feel there are still quite a few climbers like myself that think adventure is the essence of rock climbing and mountaineering.. No need to get upset chaps its just a forum....

Bill C. wrote: I just clicked on the "what's new" tab for the first time today and I counted 7 new sport climbs, and 7 new trad climbs. So that's 14 roped climbs 1-3 pitches in length compared to 26 problems. Even with those numbers, there is still way more feet of rock added to the site being climbed with a rope than with a pad. I'm sorry your feelings got hurt. We'll do better next time.

Nothing to do with my feelings ..however click on. Cheers.... PS .. Crap weather here this fills the time .

Carey S wrote:I'm a boulder

Enough said...

Paul, you're getting overly crusty. Go climb more scary grit. And remember that not all new routes get posted on MP.

There is some adventuring in bouldering and sport climbing. I moved to an area of Appalachia where there was very few bouldering areas within a couple hours of me . It was an adventuring seeking out new undeveloped areas. It's not necessary at all because I could have driven a few hours and been at great crowded places with tons of other climbers but I enjoy finding my own areas and working them.

Boissal wrote: Enough said... Paul, you're getting overly crusty. Go climb more scary grit.

Thanks for your suggestion.. However these forums are quite fun.. glad they get the impression !!.. Weather improving today so will be closing down until I think of something else for these young lads to chew on ... MP is however a good place to store your pics and climbs .. ..just in case my very old computer blows up...then they are gone for good... Cheers from the UK

mustardtiger wrote:There is some adventuring in bouldering and sport climbing. I moved to an area of Appalachia where there was very few bouldering areas within a couple hours of me . It was an adventuring seeking out new undeveloped areas. It's not necessary at all because I could have driven a few hours and been at great crowded places with tons of other climbers but I enjoy finding my own areas and working them.

Good for you .. that's the spirit .. Stick at it.