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By CPJ
From Fairfax, Virginia
Aug 8, 2011
Top of Moby Grape, Cannon Cliff.

I'm from VA and looking to make the move out west as well. I'm finishing up a graduate degree in Mechanical Engineering at Virginia Tech. How are the engineering job prospects in the Boulder area. I climb, ski, and mountain bike and am attracted to the Boulder area because of the outdoor activies but I would like to have some solid job leads before making the jump.


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By richard magill
Aug 8, 2011
Mountain Bike Action!

Things must have changed since I moved north a decade ago, or maybe I just have a bad memory...

My recollection was that there wasn't much 5.13/5.14 climbing near Boulder.

Of course indoors you can do routes that hard, if that counts. And at Rifle there are a ton, but that is quite a ways.

Certainly there are lots of good climbers in Boulder, but if you really just wanted to climb hard, you would probably just move to Rifle or Bend or maybe even SLC, no?

The attraction of Boulder is more than just the hard climbing.


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By Berkeley
From Boulder, CO
Aug 8, 2011
Font!

CPJ wrote:
I'm from VA and looking to make the move out west as well. I'm finishing up a graduate degree in Mechanical Engineering at Virginia Tech. How are the engineering job prospects in the Boulder area. I climb, ski, and mountain bike and am attracted to the Boulder area because of the outdoor activies but I would like to have some solid job leads before making the jump.


I'm doing my PhD in ME here at CU. There are tons of national lab jobs (NREL, NCAR, NIST, NOAA), techy jobs (Sun Microsystems, IBM), defense/aerospace jobs (Lockheed Martin, Ball Aerospace, Northrop Grumman), and also a lot of small energy start ups. What was your research? I might be able to point you in the right direction. You can PM me if you want.


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By Eric and Lucie
From Boulder, CO
Aug 8, 2011

"I don't care what kind of single-source low-carbon Guatemalan indigenous insulation product you use, a 6,000 square foot house isn't earth friendly".
I love it! That goes right to the point.

Boulder is a great place to live for access to climbing.
The weather is OK, though hot and somewhat humid in the summer.
Infrastructure is nice. Biking lanes are nice.
Food scene is OK but getting very expensive and snobbish.

BUT:
Don't believe the hype about this being a hippie town.
It may once have been but no more. It's a city of pretentious, overly rich, self-absorbed, self-congratulatory outdoorsy people who drive BMWs and large brand-new SUVs and live in $1M houses. It feels no different to me culture-wise than any other super-affluent exclusive place in the US. Bottomline: I'll stay for the climbing but the vibe in this town is way too money-oriented for my taste.


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By Mitch Watkins
From Denver, CO
Aug 8, 2011
Thailand

Eric and Lucie wrote:
" Boulder is a great place to live for access to climbing. The weather is OK, though hot and somewhat humid in the summer. Infrastructure is nice.

The weather is really good with tons of sun. I don't think its ever humid here. The summers are more of a dry heat to me during the day.


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By James Crump
Aug 8, 2011

The most miserable person in Boulder is a fat person without a cause...


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By Ben Sachs
Aug 8, 2011

Just change "everyone climbs 5.14" to "everyone (and their mom) climbs 5.6". 5.6 is the most crowded grade in Boulder. 5.14 climbers only go to 2 "crags", Rifle and Movement (a gym), so they won't be bothering you.

Definitely expensive, definitely crowded. Easy to avoid crowds if you try though. People are pretty nice. Most people here are not from Boulder. It's easier to find a climbing partner from Boone, NC in Boulder, CO than it is in Boone itself.

- A Recent NC Transplant


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By Helldorado
From Boulder, CO
Aug 8, 2011

Things that I like:
-Exceptionally good routes/bouldering, a good variety of climbing styles with granite and sandstone to choose from. Plenty of areas to get away from crowds if your not lazy as balls. Very easily accessible from town.
-Overall nice place, relatively clean, not over-crowded (but growing quickly), good views of mountains all over town.
-Usually cool people, but a decent share of fucks as well (as with any place)
-Medical Marijuana industry probably more prosperous here than anywhere else in the country right now, if you like weed, if you dislike weed that could be a negative.
-Probably one of the best public transit systems in the US.
-Can find climbing partners very easily.
-4 gyms I think
-You don't actually need a car, they are a convenience
-Many more...

Some things that kind of suck:
-Overall unaffordable real estate (much cheaper in surronding areas such as Louisville and Longmont)
-Some annoying-ass people, mainly boulderers telling eachother to "come on" and the like, gym climbers, rich fuckers that drive crazy.
-Moderately grating drunk ass college students (easily avoidable)
-Becoming more crowded
-Gym climbers
-Everything becoming more expensive (everywhere though)
-Don't go to Whole Foods

Haha


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By Brian Scoggins
From Eugene, OR
Aug 8, 2011

Mitch Watkins wrote:
The weather is really good with tons of sun. I don't think its ever humid here. The summers are more of a dry heat to me during the day.


Come north to Wyoming, you'll feel the difference. I notice the humidity every time I go south.

Its not August-in-Georgia bad, but its noticeable, and I try to avoid climbing near Boulder (more than usual, I mean) in the summer because of it.


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By Eric and Lucie
From Boulder, CO
Aug 8, 2011

Mitch Watkins wrote:
The weather is really good with tons of sun. I don't think its ever humid here. The summers are more of a dry heat to me during the day.

I lived in the Santa Fe, NM area for a long time; let me tell you: it is considerably hotter and more humid in Boulder than Santa Fe. It also rains more. Just look at the vegetation...


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By Ben Walburn
Aug 8, 2011
"This definitely beats lying in a pile of saw dust all day"

Mike McHugh wrote:
......* If it seems like most people in Boulder drive/talk/act like they're from Minnesota, New York, California, or Texas, it's because they are. * NIST has redefined the millisecond as the interval between when the light turns green and when people start beeping their horns. Especially true in that cluster near Whole Foods. * A lot of people with $500 highlights in their hair can recite very intricate Tibetan Buddhist prayers. No disrespect to either coiffure or sutras, it's just interesting to see....... .


HaHa +1


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By JitsClimber
From Broomfield,Co
Aug 9, 2011
Me doing my Jits thing (what I do when not climbing)

Living Close to Boulder is great. the only time traffic is really bad is during rush hour in which it's usually like that in all decent sized cities though. Plus, there's plenty of 'scenery' around to make you hate having gotten married. if you already are that is. haha!


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By Pete Elliott
From Co Spgs CO
Aug 9, 2011

Boulder. Pfffffft.


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By Terry Parker
From Fort Collins, CO
Aug 9, 2011

If you live in Boulder you will be surronded by obese people. I suggest Fort Collins. I always invite my fat friends from Boulder to come to climb with me.
eatrunplay.com/america%E2%80%99s-fittest-cities-according-to>>>


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By CJC
Aug 9, 2011

Lauren Trojan wrote:
everyone climbs 5.14


with all due respect, who cares what everyone or anyone else climbs?

also, boulder is closed. no vacancy.

unless you are a girl.

and hot.

or at least cute and sweet.


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By Will S
From Joshua Tree
Aug 9, 2011

I think The People's Republic gets WAY more hype for being a "climbing town" than it deserves. If I was after rock climbing first, I can think of probably a dozen towns I'd choose before Boulder. If I was after culture and quality of life first, again at least a dozen towns I would put ahead. Combo of the two, again at least 6-8, probably more. YMMV.


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By richard magill
Aug 9, 2011
Mountain Bike Action!

Earlier I made an unsupported statement regarding the price of housing in Boulder. So I looked it up and found these 2009 numbers, which might still be relatively accurate:

Mean prices in 2009: All housing units: $516,076; Detached houses: $629,893; Estimated median house or condo value in 2009: $477,700

source: www.city-data.com/city/Boulder-Colorado.html

Pretty pricey, I think...


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By Jeffeos
From CordryCorner
Aug 9, 2011
Young Good Free Face, 11b

Will S wrote:
If I was after rock climbing first, I can think of probably a dozen towns I'd choose before Boulder.


Which towns?
Why would you find them a better climbing town than Boulder?

Where else could I pull (outside) after work every day? Even if it's raining or snowing thanks to the Roof Routes!

Not that I doubt other cities offer this; but c'mon, name drop already.


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By Ian Stewart
Aug 9, 2011

coppolillo wrote:
the horror stories of $800,000 homes are overblown. the average price of a house pre-bust was up in the 400s...but that has come down substantially. if you're interested in talking to the best realtor in town, contact Tim Goodacre, 303/817.9300 and he'll give you a great idea of what's out there in the less expensive neighborhoods (where i live). a buddy of mine (who DOES IN FACT climb 5.14, woh!) just flipped a house around the block: gorgeous, about 2000 sq ft, and it was going for less than 6. and it is BRAND NEW.


You admit that you live in a "less expensive" neighborhood, and yet a buddy around the corner from you just sold a 2000sq ft house for "less than 6"...which I'm guessing means somewhere between $550-600k. Sure, it's not $800k, but to most people $600k is still way too much. I recently bought a pretty nice 3200sq ft house in a decent neighborhood in Fort Collins for $290k. It's not hard to find houses in the "less expensive" neighborhoods for less than $200k. That seems like a pretty huge price difference to me...


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By erik wellborn
From manitou springs
Aug 9, 2011
Top of Bridalveil, feelin good

richard magill wrote:
Earlier I made an unsupported statement regarding the price of housing in Boulder. So I looked it up and found these 2009 numbers, which might still be relatively accurate: Mean prices in 2009: All housing units: $516,076; Detached houses: $629,893; Estimated median house or condo value in 2009: $477,700 source: www.city-data.com/city/Boulder-Colorado.html Pretty pricey, I think...


OUCH!!


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By JLP
From The Internet
Aug 9, 2011

richard magill wrote:
Mean prices in 2009.

The really expensive homes people were dumping as the economy tanked skew the numbers you quoted. Those are just homes for sale.

From the same page: "Estimated median house or condo value in 2009: $477,700 (it was $272,200 in 2000)" This is more realistic, though it's still skewed a bit by a minority of very expensive homes.

The thing about homes in Boulder is that they hold their value and appreciate, even through the downturns. Tell me all about your wonderful large home you got for such a great price in the shitburbs 10 years from now when you've seen zero to negative appreciation on all the interest you paid, and now you want to get into something bigger for your family.


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By Mitch Watkins
From Denver, CO
Aug 9, 2011
Thailand

Jeffeos wrote:
Which towns? Why would you find them a better climbing town than Boulder? Where else could I pull (outside) after work every day? Even if it's raining or snowing thanks to the Roof Routes! Not that I doubt other cities offer this; but c'mon, name drop already.



+1. Id also be curious to here others ideas about the best climbing towns. Especially the best climbing towns that are close to large cities (ie. Boulder-Denver).


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By mtoensing
From Boulder
Aug 10, 2011
Props to my home state show

So people have been asking a lot of questions about Boulder on this website recently. My question is how many people are born in boulder? How many people are climbers that were born in boulder? I am just curious because I am a republic baby and I have only meet a handful of people who share the same birthplace.


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By coppolillo
Aug 10, 2011

Ian Stewart wrote:
You admit that you live in a "less expensive" neighborhood, and yet a buddy around the corner from you just sold a 2000sq ft house for "less than 6"...which I'm guessing means somewhere between $550-600k. Sure, it's not $800k, but to most people $600k is still way too much. I recently bought a pretty nice 3200sq ft house in a decent neighborhood in Fort Collins for $290k. It's not hard to find houses in the "less expensive" neighborhoods for less than $200k. That seems like a pretty huge price difference to me...


and JLP has the good word. 70% of homes in Vegas are upside down on the their mortgages. it would take a global catastrophe for that to happen in boulder...yeah, it's pricier here than fort collins...but it's no $800K as was stated previously.


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By coppolillo
Aug 10, 2011

exactly four people in the history of the universe have been born in boulder.


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