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By GhaMby
From Heaven
Apr 21, 2012
I now live in Bishop CA (AKA HEAVEN!), I used to live in Utah and miss a lot of aspects of the place. I'm flying to Denver for a job interview next week, a GOOD job. In Bishop I have a very low paying-short term job, but I can probably stay here and 'survive' for 6-8 months ($10/hr and I'm married). The job in Denver sounds like a great job and opportunity that should allow me to pay off my school loans, live in a big enough house that I'm not bumping my shoulders on all 4 walls at once, and hopefully gain enough experience that I can choose to live where ever I want in 5 years. The downside is of course living in Denver, when I was in Utah every time I ran into a dickhead he was travelling from CO (or CA).

Bishop is such a great place to live, very few people at the crags, and when they are people they are either friendly locals (usually) or friendly travelers. There is a shit load of climbing here (more than bouldering and owens, I hope I'm not letting a secret out!). The only downsides are job prospects, right now I'm making just enough to survive, and there don't appear to be a lot of long term prospects in the future.

I posted up on the co regional section, of course people take too much pride in their current residence! Anyone have experience in Denver? Can you contrast it with SLC?

Thanks!

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By Greg D
From Here
Apr 21, 2012
Out of the blue.  Photo by Mike W. <br />
Denver sucks. Stay in Bishop.

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By Glenn Schuler
From Monument, Co.
Apr 21, 2012
A grey fox skull wedged in a crack 100' up on a FA I was working on - don't see that every day...
Cash is king right? If they will pay you enough, suck it up and get your bills payed. There are plenty of worse places to live than Denver. Quit being such a drama queen - dickheads are everywhere, deal with it.

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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Apr 21, 2012
Stabby
Yeah Glenn!

Kid- learn how to pee in the tall grass.

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Apr 21, 2012
Bocan
I love it in CO and will most likely never move. It's not gonna hurt you at all to move here.

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By talkinrocks
From Boulder, CO
Apr 21, 2012
Washburns Thumb.  Denali
sweagan wrote:
The downside is of course living in Denver, when I was in Utah every time I ran into a dickhead he was travelling from CO (or CA).


You can find dickheads from everywhere. Making blanket statements and having a pre-concieved notion of people before you get there wont allow you to make any friends once you do arrive. Its what you make of it. Colorado has some of the nicest people I have ever been fortunate to know and easy to get humbled by some badass mofos. Like I said in your other thread on the same topic, at least it aint Houston.

BTW, Bishop is no secret.

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By Richard Fernandez
From Flagstaff, AZ
Apr 21, 2012
Crack Test Dummies EPC
Move to Denver, pay yo bills, stash some ca$h.

'nuff said.

It could be worse, i.e. Houston, TX or Miami, FL

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By JCM
From Seattle, WA
Apr 21, 2012
Richard Fernandez wrote:
Move to Denver, pay yo bills, stash some ca$h. 'nuff said. It could be worse, i.e. Houston, TX or Miami, FL


Seriously. Many climbers, even the very dedicated, find themselves moving to non-optimal places for career/financial/family/etc reasons. Within the spectrum of "non-optimal", Denver is pretty incredible. It isn't as good as Bishop, but where is? The only reason that Denver seems like a major step down is that you are currently sitting on the very top of the pyramid of US climber's towns. Unless you move to Spain, a step in any direction is a step down.

If you think you can make it work to stay in Bishop long-term, then stick it out there and enjoy the Eastside. But if you think that you can only keep it going in Bishop for another 6 months, then you should probably take the job in Denver. Otherwise, in 6 months you may find yourself needing to move, and end up settling for somewhere far worse than Denver.

Denver has a lot to offer. It doesn't have the quality of climbing that the Eastside has, but it does have a lot of good stuff. It isn't a death sentence to your climbing (like Miami or Houston would be), and it has a lot of great non-climbing resources. If the job is really that good, it probably is worth it, especially since it will give you more freedom in the long-term to be able to choose where you can to live/work.

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By Will S
From Joshua Tree
Apr 21, 2012
New town = new crags, new partners.

Go there, but continue to live like you were making $8/hr, save all you can and pay off all debt.

You ever want to retire? Or you wanna be working at sixty, sixty-five, seventy years old? Figure you got about thirty years of work, max to stash enough. And if you want kids, not even now, but ever, that's big money too.

Really, you can only climb hard 3 days a week max for any length of time without injuring yourself, so what are you missing with a real job?

I usually go crazy after about 2-3 years grinding for the man at real jobs, quit, take a couple years off, and start again. It's hard, and every cycle gets harder as a white collar professional...nobody wants to hire someone who has regular, extended gaps in the resume. But I've made it work so far, and in my fortieth year have only worked about half the time since I graduated college...yet those were all high paying engineering jobs, and I live like a college kid on very little money. No debt, my little shack is paid off, etc. I fully plan on being retired for good by 55 at the very latest, and more likely by 47 or so.

A little planning and sacrifice go a long ways. Good luck to you.

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By Nick Barczak
Apr 21, 2012
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sweagan,

I moved to the front range (Fort Collins) back in November, and I LOVE it here.

Granted I was living in Orange County, CA. So obviously moving was a big improvement.

But nonetheless, everyone I've met out here has been incredibly nice.

I'm actually super depressed that I'll probably have to move again sometime next year, as there really aren't jobs for people in my profession here.


I say go for it! Move to Denver. Pay off any debts with that beefier paycheck. Save up some money. And if you find that you hate it here, then move back to CA.

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By Walt Barker
From Reno NV
Apr 21, 2012
Self portrait on the summit of Gray's Peak, CO
I moved to Denver from Jackson Hole WY about 2 years ago for the aformentioned family/financial/etc reasons. I had a natural resources career for about 15 years that kept me constantly living rural and playing in the backcountry. I suffered a bit of "metro-shock" at first, but have made it work. I've found like-minded folks here; you just have to keep the radar on. I live on the west side. It makes for a pretty quick getaway time to the hills. The volume of easily acessible climbing along the front-range is staggering, but I usually am able to find un-crowded routes in my range.
So yeah, come on out. Get some $$ cash saved. I'll show you around. Look me up.

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By Woodchuck ATC
Apr 21, 2012
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008
Guaranteed job, easy flexible hours, affordable homes with low interest loans and small downpayment. That's what it would take for me.

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By Matt H
Apr 21, 2012
Lover's Leap
Denver is a pretty rad town. I just moved here from San Francisco and while the city isn't quite as awesome, the climbing possibilities are fantastic. And if we're going to go around making blanket statements about the quality of people, I've met more dickheads at the Buttermilks than all other climbing destinations combined.

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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Apr 21, 2012
Colonel Mustard
I'm a dickhead and I don't live in CO or CA.

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By Matt H
Apr 21, 2012
Lover's Leap
See? Dickheads are everywhere.

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By Victor K
From Denver, CO
Apr 21, 2012
Water!
"The downside is of course living in Denver, when I was in Utah every time I ran into a dickhead he was traveling from CO (or CA)."

1. Isn't Bishop in CA?

2. If living in Denver is a "downside", then you're starting on the wrong foot. I moved here from Santa Cruz (AKA HEAVEN!). Wasn't happy for a while, now I absolutely love it. Go figure.

I also grew up in SLC. The previous thread had accurate comparisons between the two places. How you feel about Mormons could also be an issue. There are a few in the region.

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By Tom Mulholland
From #1 Cheese Producing State!
Apr 21, 2012
Whiskey-a-Go-Go
Would you do it for a Klondike bar?

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By sevrdhed
Apr 21, 2012
150k annually, full benefits, moving expenses paid. That'd do it.

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By Shawn Mitchell
From Broomfield
Apr 21, 2012
Splitter Jams on the Israel/Palestine Security Wall.
Sweagan, you are quite a uniter. You've got Denver climbers and Boulder climbers singing the same tune, and that's not always easy.

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By GhaMby
From Heaven
Apr 22, 2012
I know I talk a lot of shit, but I thought denverds could take it, well most of you can and most of you realize what a pickle i'm in. I'll be there next weekend climbing with a friend of mine from when I was in Portland, he says it's okay, but very suburban.

I'll keep an open mind, and hopefully we can climb somewhere not to crowded. Does anyone know how Denver and Portland compare? That is where I just moved from, I really like a lot of aspects about PDX, like really great food for decent prices, BIKE COMMUTING!, the circuit bouldering gym (I would rather climb ropes though), an hour and a half from surfing, access to mountain bike trails, good climbing in the summer and of course the beer (I was not a huge IPA fan when I first moved there, but now a well hopped beer is delicious). Things I did not like, sitting in traffic, rain, the portland rock gym (the weirdest place on earth!), and of course the rain.

I'll try to have as open of a mind about Denver as I can (I am a bit of a dumbass with a huge mouth!), Golden sounds sweet though anyone know how long the train should take from Golden to Downtown? Otherwise I would like to be within a 15 minute bike commute to work. The more I think about how much school loan debt I have, the lack of retirement, healthcare and no engineering experience the more I have to be willing to leave Bishop.

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By Copperhead
Apr 22, 2012
Drama queen sounds about right. If you actually plan to work in an engineering job, you can.t live anywhere you want if you have no experience. The secret is that once you get some, you might be able to work remotely from anywhere, depending on what type of engineering we're taking about.

I'm sure bishop kicks ass, but really every place has it's positives. Some of the ones you mentioned are funny, like beer, because Colorado is as good as anywhere for beer. Go to great divide while you are out, try every type of yeti, and tell me it doesn't kick ass. Denver likely beats bishop in a zillion categories, many of which you may not be interested in (yet), but if you give a life change like that a chance, with the right attitude, you'll only gain from the experience. You can always go back.

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Edit: after rereading, with current attitude, you'll hate it.

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By ptrgeorge
From Houston, TX
Apr 22, 2012
Skull cave, Rifle, CO <br /> <br />awesome shot nate!
Can't contrast it with SLC, but you have a ridiculous amount(and variation) of climbing within driving distance of Denver. Alot of folks in CO get too excited about where they are from(and where you are from), that said I have found plenty of great friends/climbing partners here.

If I were you, take the job, get out every weekend to some of the awesome spots in CO(Rifle,Shelf,Penitente are some of my favorite wknd trips), if you cant get out for a couple of days then hit up some of the stuff close by(Boulder Canyon, Clear Creek). save up a boat load and get back on the road in a couple of years.

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By BackCountry
From West Point, UT
Apr 22, 2012
Whaaaat?
sweagan, your single biggest obstacle to moving/living in Denver seems to be yourself. I'm not a fan of Denver (have lived there), but these two threads now make it clear you don't want to move there, so don't. Have you looked for the same type of work in SLC?

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By Tristan Higbee
From Cambodia
Apr 22, 2012
Me on a mixed route Crisco and I did in Rock Canyon.
Victor Kolouch wrote:
How you feel about Mormons could also be an issue. There are a few in the region.


And watch out for those Jews if you ever go to New York.

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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Apr 22, 2012
Colonel Mustard
sweagan wrote:
(I am a bit of a dumbass with a huge mouth!)


Don't worry, that's pretty much the prerequisite all of us posting here have met.

You should move to Austin.

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By Rob Eison
From Denver, CO
Apr 22, 2012
I've lived and climbed in many places including CA, CO, TN, KY and keep hearing about all the dickhead climbers everywhere but honestly haven't had the displeasure of such encounters. Most climbers are actually pretty good, often very interesting people if you take a little time for conversation, and this includes even the RAD-os, boulderites, and Denverds. It probably has more to do with the attitude you bring to the table as suggested by the threads you started.

Which segues to your job interview. If you bring such obvious reticence and disdain to an interview there won't be any offer and this will all be an irrelevant discussion. Interviewers will be looking for someone very enthusiastic about such an opportunity and will easily smell the lack of excitement in your case. An open mind alone is an inadequate, at best minimal requirement for this scenario. No employer will move you from CA to CO if they sense you don't care for the new locale, especially in the current job market.

For what it's worth, I'm never bored here, climb outside at least once a week for almost the whole year while enjoying a successful career and family, and have tons of climbing friends. Plenty of other nonclimbing diversions here you probably don't get on the eastside as well.

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