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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Jul 3, 2011
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

Carl Dixon wrote:
Driving up the Canyon at around 10:15 on Saturday, I saw a woman crossing that traverse clipped in with what looked like a 3-foot sling. Obviously, she was dangling in the water.


This is the problem. You clip in with the very shortest connection you have, maybe even just a locker through your belay loop. Then it's easier to get a grip on the rope to move. It is quite difficult to get anywhere if you had a three foot sling.


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By patrick wild
Jul 4, 2011

Stich wrote:
This is the problem. You clip in with the very shortest connection you have, maybe even just a locker through your belay loop. Then it's easier to get a grip on the rope to move. It is quite difficult to get anywhere if you had a three foot sling.


It's difficult to get on and off the tyrol on the road side. Falling into the creek is not an option right now (over 3pm back 6pm 7\2\11). Use caution and utilize the anchors to safely access the tyrol on the road side.


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By Crag Dweller
From New York, NY
Jul 4, 2011
My navigator keeps me from getting lost

what's scary is that this happened to people who were going to go climbing. i think they're lucky that they never made it onto the rock. otherwise, the rescue resources would've likely been much more necessary.


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Jul 4, 2011
El Chorro

Mark Nelson wrote:
why the basket? all they had to do was dangle a new pair of shoes and a handcrafted bag on the near side


Now that's a little unfair. I've seen plenty of men out climbing that would create the exact same clusterfuck in this situation.

Rediculous that they had to mount a rescue effort for these people, but let's not make in about what they've got between their legs.


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By Devin Krevetski
From West Woodstock, VT
Jul 4, 2011

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I think I remember that trav. fondly


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By Eli Helmuth
From Estes Park, CO
Jul 4, 2011
Eli on the FA of Grizzly (M9) at the Den.

If you clipped in w/ a too-long sling, you could easily end-up in the middle of a cold, whitewater wave and too far below the rope to grab it...anyone here made a mistake before?

Agreed, the tyrolean is in fine shape with plenty of clearance if you clip in short...a quick draw worked perfectly.


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By Ben Walburn
Jul 5, 2011
"This definitely beats lying in a pile of saw dust all day"

Ryan Williams wrote:
Now that's a little unfair. I've seen plenty of men out climbing that would create the exact same clusterfuck in this situation. Rediculous that they had to mount a rescue effort for these people, but let's not make in about what they've got between their legs.

I don't think it's about what gender they were at all. If it were guys I'm sure the bashing would have been much worse and instead of a pair of shoes and a hand bag the peanut gallery would have written... "dangle a cold beer and some doughnuts"


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By Ben Walburn
Jul 5, 2011
"This definitely beats lying in a pile of saw dust all day"

here we go

Photo courtesy (I hope) of Helen Davis.
Photo courtesy (I hope) of Helen Davis.


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By Jonathan D.
From Portland, OR
Jul 5, 2011
Buds

Ben Walburn wrote:
here we go


Awesome!


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By John Keller
Jul 5, 2011

Yeah, if you clip in too long, it becomes much much more difficult to pull along the line. Even stronger folks can get tired pretty quick if the technique is done poorly. Some think the only issue with the length of the tie-in has to do with distance to the water but it's much more about distance from the line vs ability to pull. Another issue is that lots of folks keep their packs on. If you're strong and fast on the line, this is no problem but it is much more work to keep your body upright with the pack on. I don't know if the folks in question were trying to get back across with packs still on but keep in mind that, if the technique was done poorly and they were tired after climbing it would be relatively easy to lack the strength to pull up from the middle of the line. And, as has been pointed out, this is the point where you are most likely to get wet on this line (I got a nice splashing going across it last weekend). If you're unsure of your ability, make sure you're tied in short and hook your pack on the line behind you with a sling connected to you so that it just pulls along the line with you. Much easier and way more fun.


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By JitsClimber
From Broomfield,Co
Jul 5, 2011
Me doing my Jits thing (what I do when not climbing)

John Marsella wrote:
(it seemed inevitable)

+12,345,654,234,754,345^3


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By Hamlet73
From Boulder, CO
Jul 5, 2011
pic taken in J-tree

You can cross even when the water is this high, you want to be careful not to drop in the river, that would be a wild ride! ;)


One more time!!!
One more time!!!


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By John Keller
Jul 5, 2011

Go ahead, splash me if you can!!!
Go ahead, splash me if you can!!!


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By Ben Walburn
Jul 5, 2011
"This definitely beats lying in a pile of saw dust all day"

+1 for the jaws photo. Ha Ha! thats good shit.

Funny thing is I just watched Jaws last night, now why didn't I think of that?


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By Abram Herman
From Golden, CO
Jul 5, 2011
Viking helmet cover, yep.

Jaws photo = WIN!!!


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By Helldorado
From Boulder, CO
Jul 5, 2011

I don't know if anyone uses this technique, but sometimes I'll clip the pack off to a cordelette, cross the tyrolean, then simply pull the pack across. If you can't get across a fukn tyrolean, you have no business being in the mountains (I wouldn't even consider bocan as such)


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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Jul 5, 2011
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

In any case, a fall into that creek would more than likely be fatal drowning time ending in death. That's some roiling, freezing water.


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By Buff Johnson
Jul 6, 2011
smiley face

yes, but he only eats inner children


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By phil broscovak
Jul 6, 2011
Dreamin' Dawg

This is pathetic. What a waste of tax dollars. I hope they send these incompetent fools the bill.


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By CJC
Jul 6, 2011




hilarious, great effort john i really lold.

as for the women in trouble on the tyrolean...its pretty easy to see what's required to safely negotiate that obstacle. there's a lot to be said for knowing one's own abilities.


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By Allen Sanderson
From Oootah
Jul 6, 2011

Just a side comment we used to have a similar set up here in Oootah, up Big Cottonwood Canyon for accessing land managed by the Forest Service (Salt Lake Slips). That is until there was an accident that resulted in a death. Once that made the news and the Forest Service knew about the traverse it was removed. It was re-established but continuously removed because of the liability issues. Whine about it as you will but it will not change the FS viewpoint, as once they knew about the issue they had to take action. To their credit an access trail was built that made crossing the creek unnecessary.

Not sure who the land managers are around Blob Rock sounds like City of Boulder?? But I would not be surprised to see similar action being taken - that is to have the rope removed.


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By Abram Herman
From Golden, CO
Jul 6, 2011
Viking helmet cover, yep.

Allen Sanderson wrote:
Just a side comment we used to have a similar set up here in Oootah, up Big Cottonwood Canyon for accessing land managed by the Forest Service (Salt Lake Slips). That is until there was an accident that resulted in a death. Once that made the news and the Forest Service knew about the traverse it was removed. It was re-established but continuously removed because of the liability issues. Whine about it as you will but it will not change the FS viewpoint, as once they knew about the issue they had to take action. To their credit an access trail was built that made crossing the creek unnecessary. Not sure who the land managers are around Blob Rock sounds like City of Boulder?? But I would not be surprised to see similar action being taken - that is to have the rope removed.


While it is something to be concerned about, I find that scenario unlikely. Boulder Canyon has numerous Tyroleans, a lot of which you can even see from the road as you drive by. They've been around for years, the city, BLM, and FS I'm sure all know they're there, so I don't think it comes as a surprise to them that people are crossing the creek on Tyroleans and I don't expect a knee-jerk reaction to two [noun]s having trouble with the crossing (I hope).


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By -sp
From East-Coast
Jul 6, 2011
Buenos Dias!

Stich wrote:
In any case, a fall into that creek would more than likely be fatal drowning time ending in death. That's some roiling, freezing water.


Do you know how long those rapids run? Is there really no chance of paddling like hell until things flatten out? Shit, they look pretty damn serious.


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By Rodger Raubach
Jul 6, 2011
Rodger leading the first pitch on bishop Jaggers; 1985 ascent.

Getting on and off the Tyrolean on the road side is a lot more problematic than on the Cob Rock side. I did this 3 weeks ago and had some problems caused by the rope being a little too slack on the return from a climb. Shorter or heavier climbers can have difficulty exiting the traverse and getting their feet back on the ground.
BITD, we used to wait for the creek to subside and climb in the Fall, or wade across in late Summer.


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By John Keller
Jul 6, 2011

Yeah, it gets really high every year during the melt off. And no, there isn't too much hope if you go in. The only thing you really need to know about swift water like this is DON'T FALL IN!!! The tyrols are perfectly safe when done properly and by some time this fall, we'll be back to being able to wade across to Cob.


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