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What is a "Tredpoint?"

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Bryant Foresman · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 0

Does "tredpoint" mean redpointing after toproping, or getting it clean on toprope after previous toprope hangs? Or something else entirely?

Thanks,
B

FrankPS · · Atascadero, CA · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 276

I think it's similar to a TRonsight.

rocknice2 · · Montreal, QC · Joined Nov 2006 · Points: 3,847
FrankPS wrote:I think it's similar to a TRonsight.
ha-ha "TRonsight"
That's like climbing Everest on a StairMaster.
Ryan Kempf · · Boulder, CO · Joined Jul 2011 · Points: 371

It's Tron-sight... and it's the future.

Craig Childre · · Lubbock, TX · Joined Aug 2006 · Points: 4,860

I've always called a top rope clean climb a "pink point" ... for obvious reasons.

David Gibbs · · Ottawa, ON · Joined Aug 2010 · Points: 2
Bryant Foresman wrote:Does "tredpoint" mean redpointing after toproping, or getting it clean on toprope after previous toprope hangs? Or something else entirely? Thanks, B
Hm...three choices... first one is just a red-point, can't be that. I'll go for the first of the two remaining.
Kai Huang · · Aurora, CO · Joined May 2008 · Points: 105

TR-flash = Trash

Morgan Patterson · · NH · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,945
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloss…

Google man... and Headpoint is what your talking about.
David Gibbs · · Ottawa, ON · Joined Aug 2010 · Points: 2
Morgan Patterson wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_climbing_terms Google man... and Headpoint is what your talking about.
Nah, I think the OP did mean Tredpoint -- the term (along with TRonsighting) was used in a comment to: rockclimbinglife.wordpress.…

Headpointing is something quite different.
doug rouse · · Denver, CO. · Joined Apr 2008 · Points: 660

Never heard of it

Nathan Burns · · Atlanta, GA · Joined Aug 2013 · Points: 66

Tredpoint, redpoint, pinkpoint, headpoint.. yada yada yada. Doesn't matter! climb the dang rocks, if you are trying to impress anybody else, you're doing it wrong!

Daniel Winder · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2009 · Points: 101

It's when you don't fall off the treadwall for awhile, but I could be mistaken.

Scott Robertson · · Portland, OR · Joined Jun 2002 · Points: 110

I'm glad the offending post I replied to was removed, perhaps the admin could put in a note when that happens letting people know why.

Bryant Foresman · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 0

Thanks for the replies. I'd seen the word used in tick marks on a local route, and wondered what people were getting at. Maybe I'll ask them too. Should have clarified this was a sport route. The route I climbed is sweet, but hard for the grade and pretty beta specific. So I usually recommend that people who are new to the route TR it first if they're at their limit, and then go for the lead later. Perfectly bolted, but spacey!!

And I agree, have fun! Trying to verbally shorten "I TRd it a few times, and then got it clean on lead."

Headpoint, pinkpoint, are different, and are "googleable" on the wikipedia page referenced.

Thanks again, respectfully, happy climbing whatever the words,
Bryant

Morgan Patterson · · NH · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,945
David Gibbs wrote: Nah, I think the OP did mean Tredpoint -- the term (along with TRonsighting) was used in a comment to: rockclimbinglife.wordpress.… Headpointing is something quite different.
Sorry David and the rest but I gotta clear the water here.... Tredpointing is not an accepted or term I've ever heard. Just because someone makes up a word and uses it on their blog doesn't mean that it exists or means anything to the rest of the community.

Headpointing is the accepted term for what the OP first described, trying something on TR and then leading it clean (red pointing). Doing something clean on TR is called TR'ing. Falling on TR is called not sending, aka falling. That hopefully helps u newer guys figure it out.

From OP: "redpointing after toproping"

From Wiki: "Headpoint the practice of top-roping a hard trad route before leading it cleanly."

Tredpointing isn't a word and doens't mean anything.
David Gibbs · · Ottawa, ON · Joined Aug 2010 · Points: 2
Morgan Patterson wrote: Sorry David and the rest but I gotta clear the water here.... Tredpointing is not an accepted or term I've ever heard. Just because someone makes up a word and uses it on their blog doesn't mean that it exists or means anything to the rest of the community.
Yes, this doesn't make it used.

That doesn't mean it isn't what the OP was asking about. And, as the OP states in the post just above yours, it seems pretty clear that Treadpoint(ing) not headpoint(ing) was, in fact, what the OP was asking about.

In fact, if you encounter a new-to-you word, is not mp.com (or similar) a reasonable place to ask, "is this strange construction used, if so, what does it mean?".

If it was easy to find, the OP might not have needed to ask here.
Bryant Foresman · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2013 · Points: 0

Yes, I asked the OP (original post?) after googling and looking at those wikipedia entries...and posted because the wikipedia entry said a headpoint was TRing a "hard trad" route, and this was a sport route....

So Headpointing does seem to be the best term that "exists." Perhaps it should be used for all route types, be they easy, hard, trad, sport, aid, mixed, gym, whatever...

B

teece303 · · Highlands Ranch, CO · Joined Dec 2012 · Points: 596

Morgan, you are not the boss of words.

If people are using this term, it's worth knowing what they mean when they use it. Saying it's not a word is 100% useless and indicates a misunderstanding of what a word actually is.

EDIT: I should add, even a cursory glance at the word "TRedpoint" shows that is NOT being used as a synonym for "headpoint," in all likelihood.

Using heading point for "getting a TR clean on the nth attempt" would be quite a new, and diluted, meaning for the word "headpoint," which means to rehearse on toprope a generally difficult (and possibly dangerous) route, generally trad, before committing to the high consequence lead.

20 kN · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 1,346
Craig Childre wrote:I've always called a top rope clean climb a "pink point" ... for obvious reasons.
Pinkpoints are technically redpoints with prehung draws. Redpoints require the draws to be placed on lead. But who gives a shit anyway. Redpoint and onsight are the only terms that matter.
20 kN · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Feb 2009 · Points: 1,346
Morgan Patterson wrote: Sorry David and the rest but I gotta clear the water here.... Tredpointing is not an accepted or term I've ever heard. Just because someone makes up a word and uses it on their blog doesn't mean that it exists or means anything to the rest of the community.
Well, apparently it does when the mags use it. I remember when the mags coined the term greenpointing. Get the f*ck out of here. There is nothing "green" about climbing sport routes on gear.
Morgan Patterson · · NH · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 8,945
teece303 wrote:Morgan, you are not the boss of words. If people are using this term, it's worth knowing what they mean when they use it. Saying it's not a word is 100% useless and indicates a misunderstanding of what a word actually is. EDIT: I should add, even a cursory glance at the word "TRedpoint" shows that is NOT being used as a synonym for "headpoint," in all likelihood. Using heading point for "getting a TR clean on the nth attempt" would be quite a new, and diluted, meaning for the word "headpoint," which means to rehearse on toprope a generally difficult (and possibly dangerous) route, generally trad, before committing to the high consequence lead.
dude read my post...

"Headpointing is the accepted term for what the OP first described, trying something on TR and then leading it clean (red pointing). Doing something clean on TR is called TR'ing. Falling on TR is called not sending, aka falling. That hopefully helps u newer guys figure it out."

Have fun debating made up words... peace out.
Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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