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Mar 29, 2014
Leading a 10 at Chocolate Factory
Was the title of this thread changed to "uneducated, angry people making ridiculous generalizations about the opposite sex" without me knowing?
Thank you to the people that actually posted something relevant to climbing...on a thread like this, just leave your input/opinion if it actually relates to the topic. I think that's pretty reasonable.
Short Beta
From Troy, MI
Joined Feb 14, 2014
49 points
Mar 29, 2014
so if I said all women were batshit crazy, would that fit your reasonable criteria?? Buff Johnson
Joined Dec 19, 2005
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Mar 29, 2014
I have to weigh in on this as a man who has been climbing for more than 20 years and has had many awesome female climbing partners along the way.

I have have climbed with and around many incredibly strong women. Some of my strongest and best climbing partners in the present and past have been women. These women in particular are stronger pound for pound than I am, and they tend to approach certain climb sequences more methodically than I do so I always learn something when I climb with them. So in a climbing sense I don't understand why any man would take a dominant approach to demean a woman's talent like stated in this blog post. Shame on all the men out there who do this!

With all of that said I will also share an observation I have had with many of my female climbing partners. Every woman I have climbed with has never been to me anything more than a friend and for this very reason I am about to mention, I have never dated a woman who climbs. Perhaps this is only my personal observation but it seems that every woman I have climbed with will only date or romantically get involved with men who are better climbers than most, and often times including themselves. It's human nature to want to be with someone who shares interests. However, unfortunately many men who are super talented at something have big egos, so wouldn't be best to just recognize that and avoid those guys from the start. I mean, if you shake the bees nest you will get stung. If you avoid the bees nest you won't.

So whether you are a man who just rattles off stupid comments to a woman at the crag. (Men, or should I say boys who say stupid things. Stop making the rest of us look bad.) Or if you are a woman who only dates climbers who climb hard. Just remember every action in life has a reaction so think next time what effect your action may have as a reaction back to you later. And stop blaming the other sex!

I will also ask the author of this blog, how would she would feel if a man wrote a blog about a generalized annoyance he may pole about women who climb? My guess is it would sexist!!
1rsties4life
From CO
Joined Aug 25, 2011
256 points
Mar 29, 2014
'Empathy pu$$y'

Lol. Take the road show to a womens' studies class and you will be 'liberating women by the minute.

Tried being the sensitive age guy in my twenties, but you get a lot less oral sex from wanna be lesbians... happy to receive but giving was' degrading.'.

Side rant: ever noticed that climbing women get an over inflated sense of desireablility because guys hit on them in gym cuz there are like 10 guys for every girl?
chuffnugget
From Bolder, CO
Joined Sep 14, 2011
22 points
Mar 29, 2014
David Sahalie wrote:
Side rant: ever noticed that climbing women get an over inflated sense of desireablility because guys hit on them in gym cuz there are like 10 guys for every girl?


I can one-up you: I went to an engineering university.
Will S
From Joshua Tree
Joined Nov 15, 2006
1,262 points
Mar 29, 2014
I will also ask the author of this blog, how would she would feel if a man wrote a blog about a generalized annoyance he may pole about women who climb?

The blog post didn't include generalized annoyances. It was specific examples those women had experienced. I don't think it was even remotely intended to be considered as general statements.

I think a reciprocal story would be well worth reading.
Happiegrrrl
From Gunks
Joined Dec 23, 2005
60 points
Mar 29, 2014
A lot of women posting to this thread...and that includes most of the men. marty funkhouser
Joined Dec 8, 2007
34 points
Administrator
Mar 29, 2014
tomato, tomotto, kill mike amato.
Will S wrote:
I can one-up you: I went to an engineering university.


amen.
slim
Joined Dec 1, 2004
2,043 points
Mar 30, 2014
Leading a 10 at Chocolate Factory
Side rant: Ever notice that yes, some girls have an over-inflated sense of desirability, but some don't and are only there to work on their climbing? Patterns exist. Women can be attention whores. Men can be sex-fiends. But you can't simply group every member of the gender under that because it's just not true. Short Beta
From Troy, MI
Joined Feb 14, 2014
49 points
Mar 30, 2014
The things people are saying on this forum makes me like the people on mountain project way less... Robots and Dinosaurs
Joined Jul 3, 2013
53 points
Mar 30, 2014
bends of horseshoes
A good read:

news.coreyrich.com/2014/03/sto...

The Climbing Magazine issue of 1997 turned out to be one of their best selling issues ever AND it does feature a woman wearing a bikini top on that cover. Sex sells.

  • ****But this cover—the first time a bikini-clad woman appeared on the cover of a climbing magazine—resulted in a huge response from the climbing community. The editors’ mailboxes were flooded with a glut of hand-written letters either supporting the decision, or (most) outraged by the choice.

It’s hard to really understand the context of this picture appearing on a core publication at this juncture of time. By today’s standards, there’s nothing even remotely risqué about this photograph. But back then it was a big deal. If I had to guess a reason why I’d say it was because this cover became the unlikely outlet of some of the emotions lying latent in the climbing world at the time: over the sport’s growth and transition from fringe to mainstream. *****
muzik311
From moab, ut
Joined Feb 9, 2014
11 points
Mar 30, 2014
You stay away from mah pig!
Michael G. wrote:
The things people are saying on this forum makes me like the people on mountain project way less...


Dude, it's pretty well established that mp has the most sexist user base on the climbernet.
camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Joined Jun 27, 2006
1,369 points
Mar 30, 2014
bends of horseshoes
And a good read for other women other there and their struggle to find other female climbers : climbingzine.com/jugs-on-jugs/

Read some good comments posted on that page from other women climbers and there thoughts of only wanting to climb with women...Hmmmmm
muzik311
From moab, ut
Joined Feb 9, 2014
11 points
Mar 30, 2014
Leading a 10 at Chocolate Factory
If someone dropped you because they thought your safety advice was sexist, then that person really sucks. As a female climber I'm simply stating that I don't see climbing as a way to get attention from guys and would like to not be grouped together with women who do... Short Beta
From Troy, MI
Joined Feb 14, 2014
49 points
Mar 30, 2014
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Enough
Enough
iceman777
From Colorado Springs
Joined Oct 19, 2007
65 points
Mar 30, 2014
'Women can be attention whores. Men can be sex-fiends'

..and dogs can be your best friend!
chuffnugget
From Bolder, CO
Joined Sep 14, 2011
22 points
Mar 30, 2014
Me again!
Tony B wrote:
Ah ha. JQ do you believe in a stimulus-response model for human behavior? Attention, yes, but are you: A) So freaking stupid you still confuse attention with behavior? or B) So freaking stupid you just can't read what is being discussed? I've had better and more intellectual conversations with a 2 year old. Seriously. But I like kids- they are still growing. However, tomorrow YOU will be the same freaking idiot. Because if you insist that there is a nurture side to things, then the only possible place to go with that, would be that you could CONDITION the response to that stimulus. Really, I don't have any other questions for you. May your relationships with women bring you all that you deserve...



Ouch, resorting to childish ad hominem attacks again proving that you are:


A. So stupid that the complex feedback loop created by the nature/nurture relationship is beyond your grasp.
B. So Childish that you continue to argue against things I never said because its the only way you know how to win arguments.
B. Lack capacity for reflection which is why you are so confused how attention influences behavior.
C. All of the above.

I never said you couldn't condition people, in fact, that was my whole point, that you would have to condition people to get guys to stop looking at girls climbing in yoga pants. My point was that for this girl to have her cake and eat it too half the human population would have to have their biological impulses trained out of them.

It is sad that this conversation made you resort to childish name calling and personal attacks, but hey, that's what feeble minded individuals do.
J Q
Joined Mar 11, 2012
58 points
Mar 30, 2014
You can do reachy moves without yoga pants. Photographic evidence attached.
not wearing yoga pants
not wearing yoga pants
SinRopa
From parts unknown
Joined Sep 4, 2013
93 points
Mar 30, 2014
And one more, just so no one accuses me of being sexist for posting that last one...
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SinRopa
From parts unknown
Joined Sep 4, 2013
93 points
Mar 30, 2014
Why do these articles have to be gender-based at all? I've run into a shitload of really awesome, helpful, friendly people at crags, and a few assholes. Articles like this pretty much amount to saying "some of the assholes have been guys, so it must mean guys are jerks." Jamespio
Joined Sep 6, 2013
6 points
Mar 30, 2014
me
SinRopa wrote:
And one more, just so no one accuses me of being sexist for posting that last one...

hot!
5.samadhi
Joined Jul 20, 2013
27 points
Mar 30, 2014
at least they got my good side Buff Johnson
Joined Dec 19, 2005
1,494 points
Mar 31, 2014
me
^ top or bottom? :) 5.samadhi
Joined Jul 20, 2013
27 points
Mar 31, 2014
Chillin' at City of Rocks
Keep em coming!!! This may be the best thread since the inquiry of Rock n Resoles's phone number. Princess Mia
From Vail
Joined May 22, 2006
422 points
Mar 31, 2014
Ahhhh, remember the hair and pay tribute to it.
Uhhhh, I apologize for not reading the previous 13 pages, well actually I don't, but here is some more food for thought from Jackie, who has been on a year-long road trip after quiting her job as a high school art teacher.

I'm throwing this in the ring despite my suspicion that this thread has detiorated (risen?) into something much different.

yrofclimbing.blogspot.com/2014...
ScoRo
From Portland, OR
Joined Jun 11, 2002
155 points


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