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Dec 27, 2011
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Nice work Scott!!
New wag bag dispenser at parking lot to Kraft.
New wag bag dispenser at parking lot to Kraft.
Xavier Wasiak
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Apr 15, 2004
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Dec 27, 2011
so fancy!! I hear rumors that the other 4 will be making appearances early in 2012... John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 1, 2004
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Dec 27, 2011
Me at the good rest on Doggie Do
Thanks to all involved in getting this through, hopefully folks will adhere to using these. Weston L
From Summerlin, NV
Joined Mar 14, 2010
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Dec 27, 2011
Thanks, gents. Yes, the other four will be appearing when I get back from Philly for the holidays. I had planned on posting when I had all five in, but this way hopefully we can start getting feedback on them now.
A point of semantics - they should be referred to as "waste bag" dispensers, since WAG is a trademarked name, and we are currently using Restop. Thanks to the American Alpine Club's Cornerstone Grant for the primary funding, and Nick at the BLM for letting us do something useful in a timely manner.
For folks that are out at Kraft, feel free to grab a bag. Please use as directed, then Pack It Out! It can go in any trash bin, such as the ones at Red Springs. If you're a new outdoor climber, or generally unfamiliar with the concept of a waste bag, it is a common thing in high-use desert climbing areas, where human waste does not easily break down. Ya crap in a bag, use the supplied TP/handiwipe, and throw it in the trash, rather than looking under rocks that everyone else's crapped under for the past five years. Pretty novel, I know, but ya get used to it. If you do take advantage of this service, please donate to cover the cost of the bags. Donation boxes will be available at Desert Rock Sports and the Red Rock Climbing Center. Thanks for the support, in advance.
smassey
From CO
Joined Dec 2, 2008
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Dec 27, 2011
Beer Anyone?
That looks great and great work with the additional grant funding.

Do you know if you've secured better than retail (or e commerce) pricing? Some sort of Restop wholesale or discount pricing? We have a location(or two) in Joshua Tree that could absolutely need such a thing. I'm at the beginning stages of research and that info would help a lot. If preferred not to broadcast to the group please PM me.

Thanks! Nice s*it box!

~Susan

edit: I'm capable and prepared to contact companies directly for pricing but wanted to get an idea of how other groups have been handling things.
susan peplow
From Joshua Tree
Joined Jan 24, 2006
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Dec 27, 2011
Great work guys! RyanO
From sunshine
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Dec 28, 2011
Very nice dispenser! I work for Cleanwaste the original manufacturer of the WAG Bag. I noticed you mentioned you're using Restop rather than the WAG Bag now known as the GO anywhere toilet kit. Did you know that the WAG Bag or GO anywhere toilet kit is made of biodegradable plastic and the Restop disposal bag is made of Mylar which doesn't degrade after you put it in the trash?

The dispenser idea is terrific, we had been working with some of the BLM and Forest Service to get something just like the one you built available in certain areas. I would love the opportunity to get actual WAG Bag's in your dispensers. If you'd like more information please contact us at info@cleanwaste.com and mention the Mountain Project.

Even if it doesn't work out great job on the dispenser and for doing your part to Leave no trace!
CW1
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Dec 28, 2011
Mike McHugh wrote:
The Restop rep recently retired. Basically, the way they have been doing business was wholesale for cases of 100. Beautiful box. Every so often, a lot of bags disappear overnight. I'm not sure if it's people stocking up for personal trips or something more sinister. Just part of the cost of doing business. It seems like there's a lot of resistance from land managers to put out poop bags - sounds like you've got (or are) a good one. Good on ya, Scott.


We've got a great guy with the BLM here. With folks prior, we had much discussion, but no one wanted to commit to letting us do this. I am surprised by the amount of resistance, but that is just one symptom of a top-heavy system.

BTW, nice pic Xavier!
smassey
From CO
Joined Dec 2, 2008
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Dec 31, 2011
Scott, Lou here the RESTOP rep. I have sent you and Lisa numerous e-mails since 20 Nov to your gmail accounts, your account here, to LVCLC web site and to your Linkedin account with no response. Please check you spam blocker as they may be in that file. As I have stated we will help off set the three cases of RS2s you have lost at no charge and I will be in Las Vegas to do some MTB riding mid January and will deliver the RS2s to you at no shipping costs and any other products you may order. Also to Susan please call me as I head out to Joshua Tree to ride and visit some other customers down the road from you and would be more then happy to give you some samples and other gear to try out to see if it fits your needs. Please contact me when you get a chance. Lou Ortego
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Dec 31, 2011
Beer Anyone?
Great effort everyone and follow ups.

Thanks to CW1 for watching the posts and mentioning some details about the WAG product. Also Lou who contacted me directly as well as a special thanks to Scott who has sent several informative emails to me including his opinions on the various products on the market.

The personal waste issues are a pretty big deal, lots of areas are just ill equipped to handle the traffic they get. This is a great 1st step to reduce #2 at our crags.

~Susan
susan peplow
From Joshua Tree
Joined Jan 24, 2006
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Dec 31, 2011
Mike - well said, sir. I can only imagine. Lou - thanks for finding alternate ways to get in touch with me. Consider this an apology - I apparently never thought to look in my spam folder. I'll be back online after the holidays - will contact you then. Thanks for the generous offer, too! smassey
From CO
Joined Dec 2, 2008
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Jan 10, 2012
For everyone at RR, or planning on coming here in the near future, there are waste bag dispensers now at Black Velvet and the First Pullout. BVC is just past the trail split 1/4 mi. from the parking, and the First Pullout one is in the wash below the Hamlet, before you go right up the slab to the Panty Wall. Please dispose of used bags at the nearest trashcan - DO NOT LEAVE THEM AT THE CRAGS!!! If they are empty, please send a message to the Las Vegas Climbers Liaison Council Facebook page. Thanks! smassey
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Jan 10, 2012
The last two Waste Dispensers went in today, with Scott doing most of the heavy lifting. You can now find dispensers at the entrance to the Black Corridor on your right just as you come out of the trees/rocks and at the Gallery hanging on the grandstand just behind (and a bit past) the start of Minstrel.

Enjoy!
John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 1, 2004
2,393 points
Jan 10, 2012
Eh, you carried the last one up to the Gallery - I'd say that qualifies as heavy lifting...

PLEASE EVERYONE SHIT IN THE LITTLE BAGS!!! then kick in a few bucks at R2C2 or Desert Rock. Don't be a cheap bastard - you're in vegas. But don't decline to use them just because you're a cheap bastard. Thanks for all of the support, and happy climbing from the Las Vegas Climbers Liaison Council - please check us out on Facebook.
Black Velvet Waste Bag Dispenser
Black Velvet Waste Bag Dispenser
smassey
From CO
Joined Dec 2, 2008
374 points
Jan 20, 2012
So now that these have been up for a little bit, I'm curious if there's any feedback. facebook.com/pages/Las-Vegas-C... Feel free to contact me on FB or MP. I know folks are using them, or at least being prepared, by the amount I've had to restock... smassey
From CO
Joined Dec 2, 2008
374 points
Feb 1, 2012
Cracker Jack on lead.
Thanks guys. Everyone use these please. Not just in Red Rocks but everywhere you go outdoors. Im tired of finding shit at the base of climbs. Im going to start shitting in the backpacks of people who just shit wherever they want and make no attempt to dispose of it. Mike Dudley
From Vegas
Joined Nov 28, 2008
213 points
Feb 1, 2012
Direct Action takes on a whole new spin... I applaud your effort to the cause. smassey
From CO
Joined Dec 2, 2008
374 points
Administrator
Feb 1, 2012
Lichen head. Me, with my usual weatherbeaten, lich...
I'm so glad I live in New England and climb mostly 3-5 miles in, where only a few people go. I can go find a spot well away from the cliff, dig a hole and bury it and not have to poop in a bag and carry it around in my pack. It is good these things are available where they are needed though. Apparently they are thinking of bringing them to Rumney now. They only problem is that the same people who are causing problems by just shitting on the ground without burying it and right next to a crag or trail are probably not going to be willing to use them. I have no idea how we realistically are going to deal with them. M Sprague
From New England
Joined Nov 9, 2006
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Feb 2, 2012
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I like the waste bags that come with not only some toilet paper but also a piece of gum or a mint. Any chance we can get some of those?? John Hegyes
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 2, 2002
4,285 points
Feb 2, 2012
Some Binaca, perhaps? Will look into that and get back to you... smassey
From CO
Joined Dec 2, 2008
374 points
Feb 2, 2012
M Sprague wrote:
I'm so glad I live in New England and climb mostly 3-5 miles in, where only a few people go. I can go find a spot well away from the cliff, dig a hole and bury it and not have to poop in a bag and carry it around in my pack. It is good these things are available where they are needed though. Apparently they are thinking of bringing them to Rumney now. They only problem is that the same people who are causing problems by just shitting on the ground without burying it and right next to a crag or trail are probably not going to be willing to use them. I have no idea how we realistically are going to deal with them.

That is the question. It seems to have worked in the Creek. I think it comes down to education and realizing it'll take awhile to integrate it into everyone's thinking. But that's the libertarian in me...
smassey
From CO
Joined Dec 2, 2008
374 points
Feb 2, 2012
Which way again?
Oh, great, libertarians. Don't you damn fools realize that your thinkins and freedums don't mesh none too good with Gawd's plan?

Just for laughs. I haven't commented on this yet, but I think what X and old ScottWidth got done is pretty damn cool, even if it don't amount to shit.

AAAAHHHH! Poop jokes. I really never thought I'd see the day that the CLC would get something concrete like this done, my fist-bumps to you both, gentlemen.
Cunning Linguist
Joined Feb 15, 2007
2,478 points
Feb 2, 2012
Imaginate
M Sprague wrote:
....not have to poop in a bag and carry it around in my pack. It is good these things are available where they are needed though.


I used to be so opposed to the idea of pooping in a bag and carrying it around with me, but these things are super solid and easy to use too. I fill em up and stuff them right in my main backpack compartment on top of clothes or food. I cinch the pack down tight, my backpack falls over on itself when I rest it against a tree, etc., and the wag bags take a beating and never leak. I keep an unused one in the hydration area of each of my backpacks.
David Appelhans
From Medford, MA
Joined Nov 11, 2007
350 points
Feb 10, 2012
Special thanks to the LVCLC for making this project happen. Glad to hear/see people are using the bags responsibly and sharing stories.

Nick Walendziak
Red Rock Canyon NCA
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BLM Red Rock
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May 25, 2012
Top of Mt. Washburn in Yellowstone National Park
Is there somewhere one can donate online to help cover the cost of the Waste Bags? I grabbed a few out of the Panty Wall dispenser today and wanted to cover the cost, but won't have a chance to stop by Desert Rock Sports or the Red Rock Climbing Center. Wasn't sure who exactly to donate to, since several organizations helped make this happen. Any advice? Thanks in advance! Stefano Prezioso
From Denver, CO
Joined Mar 8, 2010
103 points
May 26, 2012
There currently is no way to donate online, although we're hoping to change that this summer.

The Waste Bag dispensers are maintained by the LVCLC- if you cant stop by the shop or gym, you can always send a check (payable to the LVCLC) to Desert Rock Sports address when you get home.

If you have any other questions, feel free to shoot me a message.
John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 1, 2004
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