Victory Whippers Are Not Good Practice

I only write this to hopefully shed light to the many climbers that victory whippers are unethical.

So many reasons make victory whippers unethical.

-Wear on;
Bolt
Rope
Quick Draw
Climber Harness
Belayer Harness

Harness wear isn't a huge deal and may only effect that individual unless innocent mountain project climber purchases off guy who was doing victory whips. Or on a climb the harness fails. I think a person who does Victory whips probably would sell his gear afterwards.

The rope effects people within that group of individuals and in theory may effect others as well.

To me though, the bolt is the biggest issue. Come on people this effects the whole climbing community. Have you ever noticed that bolt on the route that is in much worse shape than the others because the crux is there? The climbing community spends a lot of money on replacing bolts for safety.

I don't think they would want you taking victory whippers on the bolts after they spend the time, money and energy on replacing them. When I see this I cringe.

Maybe you hurt yourself doing the whipper and people have to get involved to rescue.

Many people die and get injured every year climbing.

You have to respect this sport.

Respect the kind people who put the bolts up.

Respect the future climbers on that route.

Thank you for reading,

What?

Ezekiel Thornton wrote:I only write this to hopefully shed light to the many climbers that victory whippers are unethical. So many reasons make victory whippers unethical. -Wear on; Bolt Rope Quick Draw Climber Harness Belayer Harness Harness wear isn't a huge deal and may only effect that individual unless innocent mountain project climber purchases off guy who was doing victory whips. Or on a climb the harness fails. I think a person who does Victory whips probably would sell his gear afterwards. The rope effects people within that group of individuals and in theory may effect others as well. To me though, the bolt is the biggest issue. Come on people this effects the whole climbing community. Have you ever noticed that bolt on the route that is in much worse shape than the others because the crux is there? The climbing community spends a lot of money on replacing bolts for safety. I don't think they would want you taking victory whippers on the bolts after they spend the time, money and energy on replacing them. When I see this I cringe. Maybe you hurt yourself doing the whipper and people have to get involved to rescue. Many people die and get injured every year climbing. You have to respect this sport. Respect the kind people who put the bolts up. Respect the future climbers on that route. Thank you for reading,

WTF.... ????? Dude, bolts/anchors don't fail.... even at the ECHO CLIFF ....

do you really buy used harness????

Used Rope???

so now you wish to make something I love to do UNETHICAL????

sport climbing lol

I guess I will have to save my victory whipper for my 00 cam.... :P

Bolts never fail....ever. Keep up with that mentality.

I did a victory whip when I moved away from Akron Ohio. I suggest you do the same.

Eliot Augusto wrote:Bolts never fail....ever. Keep up with that mentality.

Eliot.... can you give a example of failed anchor bolts?????

Trolling Dirty

Guy Keesee wrote: Eliot.... can you give a example of failed anchor bolts?????

Nobody said anything about anchor bolts specifically. There have definitely been protection bolt failures. Anchor bolt failures are obviously much more rare (both are rare IME). But since you asked about anchor bolts specifically:

supertopo.com/climbers-foru…

Not modern. Not exactly relevant. But since you asked...

BTW...OP, you are funny.

I was just yesterday thinking about how certain "rules" are created to define religions. My conclusion is that most people need rediculous rules to help continue their feelings of superiority.

Adam Burch wrote:sport climbing lol

+1

a bad bolt shouldn't be climbed on at all, how far one falls (on purpose) is besides the point.

Ezekiel Thornton wrote:I only write this to hopefully shed light to the many climbers that victory whippers are unethical. So many reasons make victory whippers unethical. -Wear on; Bolt Rope Quick Draw Climber Harness Belayer Harness Harness wear isn't a huge deal and may only effect that individual unless innocent mountain project climber purchases off guy who was doing victory whips. Or on a climb the harness fails. I think a person who does Victory whips probably would sell his gear afterwards. The rope effects people within that group of individuals and in theory may effect others as well. To me though, the bolt is the biggest issue. Come on people this effects the whole climbing community. Have you ever noticed that bolt on the route that is in much worse shape than the others because the crux is there? The climbing community spends a lot of money on replacing bolts for safety. I don't think they would want you taking victory whippers on the bolts after they spend the time, money and energy on replacing them. When I see this I cringe. Maybe you hurt yourself doing the whipper and people have to get involved to rescue. Many people die and get injured every year climbing. You have to respect this sport. Respect the kind people who put the bolts up. Respect the future climbers on that route. Thank you for reading,

You from the Committee to Stamp Out Fun?

Mark E Dixon wrote: You from the Committee to Stamp Out Fun?

Xactly!

Next you'll be telling us not to comfortize holds!

D.Buffum... Thanks for the links, but not one is a completely failed anchor.

Yes there are lots of bad bolts out there and the climber must be able to spot the clues. I have personally pulled one out by HAND while getting lowered and cleaning. That one was a 3/8 buttonhead with the telltale hammer marks all over the head cause the idiot who placed it drilled the hole to shallow and then kept trying to make it bottom out and stop the hanger from spinning. This practice bends the head making it weaker, like bending a paperclip intill it snaps.

And I guess that bolts in wet marine cliffs just suck always.

and csproul..... that YV deal was complete user error.

But let us address the OP.... Victory Wippers as unethical.

(joke of the day / troll of the day and I took the bait :>)

But my take on not trusting bolts is this. If your that afraid maybe climbing is not the best HOBBIE for you. ;>)

EDIT: John thanks for replacing bolts.

But still waiting for anchor bolts that failed??????? Both of them...

Adam Burch wrote:sport climbing lol

Akron Ohio LMFAO

Ezekiel Thornton wrote:I only write this to hopefully shed light to the many climbers that victory whippers are unethical. So many reasons make victory whippers unethical. -Wear on; Bolt Rope Quick Draw Climber Harness Belayer Harness Harness wear isn't a huge deal and may only effect that individual unless innocent mountain project climber purchases off guy who was doing victory whips. Or on a climb the harness fails. I think a person who does Victory whips probably would sell his gear afterwards. The rope effects people within that group of individuals and in theory may effect others as well. To me though, the bolt is the biggest issue. Come on people this effects the whole climbing community. Have you ever noticed that bolt on the route that is in much worse shape than the others because the crux is there? The climbing community spends a lot of money on replacing bolts for safety. I don't think they would want you taking victory whippers on the bolts after they spend the time, money and energy on replacing them. When I see this I cringe. Maybe you hurt yourself doing the whipper and people have to get involved to rescue. Many people die and get injured every year climbing. You have to respect this sport. Respect the kind people who put the bolts up. Respect the future climbers on that route. Thank you for reading,

This is just something that people that haven't climbed anything hard enough to warrant a victory whip say. C+ on the troll. Work on it. You can do better.

"Bolts never fail."

"Victory whips are an 'essential' part of climbing".

"You don't climb hard enough to know how important victory whips are."

The amount of noobery in this thread is staggering. To the OP, I agree with you; intentionally jumping off bolts just for the fun of it is in most cases not appropriate and should be frowned upon.

Flame on.

Guy Keesee wrote: Eliot.... can you give a example of failed anchor bolts?????

Personally? No.

But I've been trying to absorb as much information about rock climbing as I can, including putting up bolts. And replacing them, I want to give back to climbing when I am skilled enough to do so.

But, just looking on MP at the route that is my goal this summer(which made me look all this up), here is a comment.

"...Several hangers and one bolt broke with the first tug on the funkness. I left the lower bolts alone (except for one anchor) as they were pretty bomber 1/2" self-drives..."
mountainproject.com/v/field…

They were replaced +-10 years ago, and there are a ton of examples out there already. By the way, don't forget that it mentions an anchor. Look up the rest, you're a big boy.