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By Tristan Higbee
From Cambodia
May 11, 2010
Me on a mixed route Crisco and I did in Rock Canyo...
So apparently there are some via ferrata lines in Waterfall Canyon in Ogden. Here is some info, but it's 5 years old. Has anyone been on these recently? Anyone have some beta they'd like to share? I guess I'm curious about whether a guide is required, how much it costs to rent the little via ferrata rig, info on where the routes are, etc.

Just looks like a good way to get non-climbers out (or more accurately, UP) there...

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By Christian "crisco" Burrell
From PG, Utah
May 11, 2010
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I had no idea this kind of stuff was around...

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
May 11, 2010
Bocan
Off topic, but I don't get via ferrata. What is the point? Climbing for non-climbers or hikers?

And if everyone gets up in arms about a bold here and there, why are these ladders acceptable and no one says boo?

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By Chad_N
From Chattanooga TN
May 11, 2010
After Igor Unchained
The point for this LLC is to make money. (See the OP'ers link)

The point back in war time was for troops to cross the Alps more easily.

Someone should put up a traditional route next to that via retarded route and then chop all the ladders and bolts.

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By Jason Gilbert
From Lakewood
May 11, 2010
...And a few Push-ups just for fun.
I was up there about 3 or 4 years ago. I Hiked in and played on the practice wall for fun. At the time I had heard that a guide was required to go up the canyon and do the longer routes. I had originally heard that this was a Jeff Lowe project. He had negotiated access from the land owner and some more routes were going to be put up, but Iíve havenít heard any more since then.

Scott- from what I had seen and heard, the rock up there is in bad condition, so it wasnít going to be safely climbable without the Via Ferrate ladders. Iíd also heard that itís on private property which is probable why no one has complained. It is kind of climbing for beginners, but Itís also sort of fun, like a good rest day activity.

Hereís a couple more links with some more pictures and info:
gearjunkie.com/via-ferrata-in-...
outdoors.fanhouse.com/2008/12/...

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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
May 11, 2010
Bocan
Cool...thanks for the info. Always thought it was like the ugly sister no one talked about.

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By J mac
May 11, 2010
Zermatt
I'm not sure it has its place in the US, but it is very popular in Europe. I have to say it is really a ton of fun. It is a nice change to be able to move so quickly compared to free climbing.

And yes it is climbing for nonclimbers, but it is still fun.

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By Woodchuck ATC
May 11, 2010
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008
cMn wrote:
The point for this LLC is to make money. (See the OP'ers link) The point back in war time was for troops to cross the Alps more easily. Someone should put up a traditional route next to that via retarded route and then chop all the ladders and bolts.


I like the idea of a route next to it, where REAL climbers can sail by in style as the 'ferrata'folks are busy reclipping their multiple lanyards and getting rusty hands from the iron rungs.

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By Tristan Higbee
From Cambodia
May 11, 2010
Me on a mixed route Crisco and I did in Rock Canyo...
Before we start complaining too much about a via ferrata in the Wasatch and saying someone should chop it, check this out (from this site):

"In his many years of rock climbing and ice climbing around the world, [Jeff] Lowe said, via ferrata courses had never interested him. But then he was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.

"It's really restricted my mobility, so it's a little bit more meaningful to me," he said. "I start to see the benefit to people who are not hard-core climbers, who are somehow limited in what they can do."

I doubt we'll see a bunch of these springing up (they've gotta be pretty freaking expensive to establish, eh?), but I don't think they're inherently a bad thing to have around.

Also, cMn said that someone should put up a trad route there. I believe there ARE already trad routes there. I remember looking for info on the canyon after driving up to City of Rocks and seeing the big quartzite cliffs there (which, while they appear to be chossy, don't look any worse than some of the stuff on the north side of Rock Canyon that gets climbed all the time... Good enough to climb on.). I think the info was in the Ogden Area Climbing Guide, or maybe on RC.com... It said that people had probably put up routes there back in the day and that there's room for a ton of variations.

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By Rockwood
From West Jordan
May 11, 2010
Spring in Zion
Nice one Tristan, I was just about to write about how Lowe started helping develop it after he got multiple sclerosis and couldn't climb as hard. I think it's an awesome alternative and we shouldn't bash it. I know lots of families in Europe do Via Ferrata with young kids for multiple days as a vacation going over large stretches of the Alps. I think it sounds fun even though I like climbing too. I remember even looking into the Ogden stuff but couldn't find if it was still up and running. I'd be interested if it is.

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By Brian in SLC
May 11, 2010
Climbing in Smuggler's Notch
I think the only reason its there is that its on private land. Not sure it would fly on public land.

Pretty sure there are climbing routes in the area.

I've only done the lower practise wall.

Done a few via ferratas in Europe.

Not sure I'd be psyched to see this kind of thing get popular on public land here.

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By BackCountry
From West Point, UT
May 11, 2010
Whaaaat?
I climbed them last year. They're not much fun for someone that climbs, but I see the potential to encourage new climbers. We didn't need a guide and used harnesses and longer draws for about half the route, then we got bored and cruised the rest. There are a couple of crags nearby, and I do see potential for new route development, but you'd probably get chased off by some rich dude running up to you looking for a couple of dollars for being on this land.

Waterfall Canyon is a very popular hike that happens to be on private property. If you've heard anything about the (moronic) mayor of Ogden and his lame idea to put a gondola from the center of Ogden to the top of our mountain, it's all in tandem with the owner of Waterfall Canyon and Malan's Basin (the site of a proposed West facing ski resort @ Elev. ~7,000). Of course, it has all fallen directly on its face, where it belongs.

It's true Via Ferrata in Ogden started as a money maker, but at their rates, nobody in their right mind would pay!

Check this link for a good laugh:

ogdenhub.com/sections/climb/vi...


Via Ferrata Ogden, UT
Via Ferrata Ogden, UT

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By Austin Baird
From SLC, Utah
May 11, 2010
Me scaring years off my mom's life
cMn wrote:
The point back in war time was for troops to cross the Alps more easily. Someone should put up a traditional route next to that via retarded route and then chop all the ladders and bolts.


Yeah man!! If they don't climb as hardcore as you do, screw 'em! The only people who should get to enjoy climbing on mountains are people who have the time and money to invest in gear and learning to use it.

Stay in California and Poland.

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By paintrain
May 11, 2010
Chuck Norris can Divide by Zero
jmac wrote:
I'm not sure it has its place in the US, but it is very popular in Europe. I have to say it is really a ton of fun. It is a nice change to be able to move so quickly compared to free climbing. And yes it is climbing for nonclimbers, but it is still fun.



You are right. Things that are fun should stay in Europe. We are 'mericans Damn it. There is no fun to be had here. Move along and place your own gear ;-).

I have done a handful of via Ferrata's in Europe. They are fun. They aren't on usually on the sweet technical rock line and they do allow access to those who aren't so honed or skilled. Plus you can do them alone.

I frankly think they would be quite popular here if they were more common. But I also don't think 'merican liability would allow it either.

PT

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By Ted Farley
From Bozeman, Mt
May 11, 2010
Bellying on the Wedge.
PT,
Have you ever considered that maybe the europeans have the wrong attitude by thinking that everything should be accessible by putting a tram on every massif. IMO the us 'mericans have a pretty good deal goin as far as respecting our land.

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By paintrain
May 11, 2010
Chuck Norris can Divide by Zero
Ted,

I have have climbed a bunch in Europe and it is a different scene, history and culture than the US.

Do i think we should put a tram everywhere because we can? No. But at the same token I don't think we should drive massive SUVs, build drive through national parks and consume like there is no tomorrow as we do in the US. I find mild irony in the thought of a tram up the side of a peak with a via ferrata you would be hard pressed to see, but allow housing developments to climb the sides of the foothills like at the mouth of big cottonwood.

You would be hard pressed to see a via Ferrata from >100m. It motivates people to get off the couch (like geo caching/trashing, something I personally don't like it, but it gets people out) and frankly it is less impacting than many other activities (like ATVing or even lift assisted skiing).

I just find mild hypocrisy in the issues we choose to get bent about (via ferrata's few have even noticed till now) and what we take in due course.

Frankly, I think people should be required to use via ferrata rigs on the cables on halfdome, but I don't see anyone advocating safety on pre-existing via ferrata that people arm over arm and die on every year.

PT

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By Pat C
From Honolulu
May 11, 2010
me
The rock should be respected. Via Ferrata is unethical. It's the rock climbing equivalent of habitat destruction, or biological control with disregard for native species. People get up in arms about chipping (as they should), this takes it up a whole level.

DOWN WITH VIA FERRATA!!

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By Ryan Lauck
From Farmington, UT
May 11, 2010
Cleaning the Green Adjective on my first climb in ...
hey tristan, if you're this far north hit me up and we can go climb some davis county choss together!

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By Ted Farley
From Bozeman, Mt
May 12, 2010
Bellying on the Wedge.
PT,

I think it is nice that via ferrata gets people off the couch but thats not a great excuse to have it. I think a casino in the middle of yosemite valley would get people off the couch to go for a hike but i still think that would be a bad idea.

I know that is an extreme example but i'm just saying there is a line and we have to draw it somewhere. Some people say that bolting limestone cliffs right off the major highway crosses this line but i don't (probably because i like to clip those bolts.) All in all I'm not qualified to draw any lines, just suggestions.

My theory is that in this country for better or worse is that things will happen if there is money there, housing developments and via ferrata. Unfortunately, being a punk 19 year old college student I dont have the money to stop either so ill just whine about it on the internet. Hope ya have a good week of climbing.
Ted

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By Tristan Higbee
From Cambodia
May 12, 2010
Me on a mixed route Crisco and I did in Rock Canyo...
Ted Farley wrote:
My theory is that in this country for better or worse is that things will happen if there is money there, housing developments and via ferrata.


I don't think you can put those two in the same category. I mean, there are what, half a dozen via ferrata locations in America? I hardly think that we're looking at a plague here. And I think that's actually why via ferrata HASN'T caught on in America... There's no money there.

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By Christian "crisco" Burrell
From PG, Utah
May 12, 2010
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Maybe this is how Tristan and I should finish the Squaw Peak route!

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By caverzach
Nov 3, 2012
Yea, I've actually climbed them once but nows there's a sign on each via ferrata in the canyon telling everyone that you need to call sherpaguides and have a guide. It is on private land. That I actually think may be patrolled by airplane. Either that or some guy in a plane just likes to circle the mountain watching people ilegally climb via ferratas. Weird.

Really fun though. They get more difficult with overhangs and stuff as you go up the canyon. At the mouth they're pretty easy. I'm not sure how via fettatas rating system but. There are only three. Best climbed quickly in pairs and when no one is looking. :)

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By dave bingham
Nov 12, 2012
I've done several via ferrata's in France and really enjoyed the fusion of hiking / climbing. Via Ferrata's are a fast way to travel thru steep, exposed terrain without mucking with hardware and ropes.

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By qouzzy
Jul 24, 2014
It looks to me we are way off subject and a little stuck on our own agendas. Some of you have some good points but what was the original question? Did you answer it? If you want to moan about something go to http//www.piss-and-moan-about-your-own-ajenda-because-nobody-elses-opinion-matters.com. Thanks everyone who actually addressed the original question and gave good information.

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By Kevin Pula
Jul 24, 2014
Way to set all these guys straight. I can't believe no one called them out for two whole years! It's a thankless job but I'm glad someone is scouring the the forums for this bullshit.

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By TheIceManCometh
From Albany, NY
Jul 25, 2014
Chiller Pillar, Adirondacks
Backcountry: when you did the via ferrata, you mentioned you used harnesses and long draws. Just wondering if you added a Yates draw or something like that. A via ferrata fall can be many times worse than a typical fall on a climbing rope, often Factor 5 or higher.

Here's a write up from Mammut:

mammut.ch/en/viaferrata_faq_wh...

Petzl says that the fall factor can be > 5 when the anchors are > 3m apart.

petzl.com/files/all/en/activit...

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