The River's Edge 

This route is actually to the left of Daddy Long Legs, and it has anchors now. There are 6 bolts on route now (thanks ASCA for changing a classic line), so it isn't that run out.

"asca" on the bolt. How bigger a sign is there?

Curious if you talked to Chris before you chopped the bolts on his route? I'm wondering if he is the one who went back and added them.
Anyone know?
When did these newer bolts show up?

I climbed it this year, and I swear they were "ASCA" bolts.

Proabably an errant hanger stamped with ASCA. Talked with Mike just the other day at the OR. He's not the addin' bolts to established climbs kinda guy. And, I really like he's using Powerbolts in stainless for the bolt replacement stuff (hint hint hint).

I climbed it last year, and, don't recall these newer bolts. Where were they?

Was run out climbing well below the rated grade of the route. But, through the crux, seemed adequately protected.

I just wonder if anyone talked to Chris. I think folks should make an effort to get square with the FA folks before they start making changes, good or bad, to someone else's route. And, if the FA guy is dead, then talk to his old partners.

Nevers seems to work out right when folks both add and subtract bolts and fixed pro from other people's routes, no matter how well intentioned.

Like I said Brian, it was this year I saw the ASCA's. I could be wrong but I believe all the bolts not just one were ASCA's. AND, I am no way dissing Mike, just reporting what I "thought" I saw, same as with Astair. An extra bolt on that and again I "believe" ASCA hangers. However, I have been known to be wrong, it was a hot day and I spent a lot of time in that area, maybe I had some heat exhaustion going on.
Also, what's with the "Powerbolts in Stainless thing". Are you trying to say that I don't use proper bolts when I add to established routes? :) Or are you ripping on someone else, but can't quite do it?

Chris Begue lives in Prescott with his son now. I can find him if you really want me to. He does come by slc from time to time as his mother just passed away and his father is elderly. He is more likely than not to keep bolts closer together but I don't think he'd want anything done without talking to him.

Too bad these great climbs in the canyon are getting thrashed. Enough already with adding bolts for the sake of making them accessable to all. Especially on this climb where the hard climbing is well protected and the easy romp up to there is trivial. Does not warrant a R in my honest opinion.

My apologies to Mike. They were not ASCA hangers on River's Edge.

Just tr-soloed this route yesterday evening. I counted five bolts to Tony's new anchor. Last year I thought there was another bolt between bolts 3&4, but couldn't, didn't see any patches or holes so I could be mistaken, (or it was an excellent patch job). I did see one more bolt above the new anchor while on Daddy long legs first pitch. I thought the crux was well protected, a little run to the 4th bolt which could be quite scary/stimulating on lead......

Tony said,"Chris Begue does not want any protection bolts added to routes that he is the earliest known ascentionist. The words came straight out of his mouth.

If you look at the guidebook you will see the correct bolt count at the time of the first ascent. There are currently 8 bolts/studs on this route. Two are a replacement for the belay/rappel bush that died. The other two were added after the FA.

If that is confusing and needs clarification feel free to contact me privately."

But Chris told me he never heard from Tony about this route. He told me he added those bolts himself after the FA because he thought it made it a better climb. He was more than a little upset about your actions.

Sweeeet all is good.
Route repaired by FA.

Its actually not based on a book, but, on a early 80's screen play based on a true story. The movie (1987) is edgy, but, really impressive. Crispin Glover's best effort? Hard thing to watch and then try to forget.

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Slick, but really really good!