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Using animals (horses/donkeys) to haul loads to climbs pioneer style in High Sierra/Yosemite/Tuolumne, and the vicinity
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By Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Aug 21, 2014
Big Boulder, just a bit downhill from Temple of Kali. Alabama Hills, CA.
Looks scary to sit on one of those Mules, I had a much better time walking with a day pack.

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By Joan Lee
Aug 21, 2014
Me
Guy Keesee wrote:
Looks scary to sit on one of those Mules, I had a much better time walking with a day pack.

Someone did a sweep so I can post again. .. so anyway, doesn't it sound ironic: Guy is afraid of the mules yet is stone cool on 25 ft runouts , no sweat!
All of the companies sound great and that is definitely something we will try. For those who actually used them: what would be a recommendation for the first outing? 2 nights or an overnight trip.
And thank you for the stories.

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By Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Aug 22, 2014
Big Boulder, just a bit downhill from Temple of Kali. Alabama Hills, CA.
""Guy is afraid of the mules yet is stone cool on 25 ft runouts , no sweat!""

True....that

Horses and Mules are some of the dumbest creatures to ever walk the earth. After watching our guide have problems with a stubborn mule who didn’t want to step over a large rock, who then freaked out, kicking both back legs right at the Packer, spin around, then fall down a steep slope, rolling over on to the load (shaking up the beer) finally coming to a stop….. then acting like nothing happened at all!!!

I will leave the packing work to the pros.

Joan... besure to enter a trip report

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By Joan Lee
Aug 22, 2014
Me
For shizzle!

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By Viren Perumal
From Mammoth Lakes, CA
Aug 22, 2014
I guided a climbing trip this summer into the ritter range for 5 days and my client and his wife opted to use the mule packer support to get in and out of Ediza lake. I hiked out the last morning at the end of our climbing trip and while they rode out with their gear, the Mule got spooked on the PCT/JMT and my client got thrown off.....SAR evac on a wheeled litter and 3 nights in the Mammoth Hospital.

punctured lung and shattered scapula and clavicle. My lesson....avoid the mules and we will all have to step in less poop on the trail.

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By Viren Perumal
From Mammoth Lakes, CA
Aug 22, 2014
Oh yeah - Human porters don't poop on the trail as much and it keeps folks in our poverty stricken east side employed :) contact a local guide service to set you up with a young man/ woman who will be permitted to operate on federal land legally and that way if they get hurt they will be covered by workman's comp (I have heard of JMT packers shooting their horses that slip and fall on snowy passes....so my guess is that the horses are not covered under workman's comp ???

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By Richard M. Wright
From Lakewood, CO
Aug 22, 2014
Llamas also pack well, although you would probably have to walk or use a horse.

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By Joan Lee
Aug 22, 2014
Me
That sucks for the guy that got thrown off the mule :(
I understand there is a lot of poverty and homelessness among climbers. Although weed booz and drugs and douchy behavior is why we can't have nice things. As a community we need to represent and not be like some thugs. If the dude or a chick smell like booz and weed and BO I pick a mule. As for animals euthanized after being severely injured on the trail it is what it is. No they do not have health insurances or workman's comps. Seems like a first world problems to me.

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By Climb-it
Aug 22, 2014
"I understand there is a lot of poverty and homelessness among climbers. Although weed booz and drugs and douchy behavior is why we can't have nice things. As a community we need to represent and not be like some thugs. If the dude or a chick smell like booz and weed and BO I pick a mule."




I'm not understanding your logic, but don't bother elaborating. I will just assume your a weak climber with poor values... Now, I must get back to smoking pot and making sure you decent folk can't have nice things. Thug Life!

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By Joan Lee
Aug 22, 2014
Me
Keep on going. Yes indeed I am a weak climber who likes to spend her money that she earned at a job however the heck she pleases. And I will see you as my patient with lung issues 10 years from now. So thank you for job security.

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By Joan Lee
Aug 23, 2014
Me
A little intermission:
Worms
Worms

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By Bill Lawry
From New Mexico
Aug 23, 2014
Let's get back to the waxing ...

"The wax needs something to hold on to, or else the waxing process will be very painful and useless."

I'm guessing if the hair is long enough that this reduces to just being very painful?

We used pack horses to the Cirque of the Towers in July. I found I learned much more by talking to the packers than sifting/pinging the web. That said, I did appreciate the recommendations of which service from folks on MP. Maybe that is why I had a good experience.

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By Howard Snell
From Belen, New Mexico
Aug 23, 2014
Bill Lawry wrote:
Let's get back to the waxing ..."


Go for it Bill!

Howard

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By Bill Lawry
From New Mexico
Aug 24, 2014
Howard Snell wrote:
Go for it Bill! Howard

I'm with Guy on this one. I don't care how well behaved that mule appears. Looks scary to sit on one of them let alone give one a Brazilian wax job. ;-)

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By Avalon'cha
From your girlfriend's bedroom
Aug 24, 2014
I think they make excellent haul slaves on a 3 person aid team. But use the donkey, because horses cant work ascenders for shit.

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