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By berl
From Seattle
Jul 18, 2011
wow. It's been a great Tour for Garmin, especially with Thor's stage win... but too bad that Tyler Farrar has become a giant whiner

I don't know about what really did or didn't happen with Cavendish out the back of the laughing group, but I do know that innuendo with cameras isn't the best way to deal with it.


Thursday's going to be a great day for GC racing... can't wait!

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By JSH
Administrator
Jul 18, 2011
JSH @ home  photo courtesy of Gabe Ostriker
The brothers Schleck sure were looking strong on Saturday, especially that Andy still had guns for the final ... gesture. And hats off to Mr. Voeckler!

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By Jake D.
From Northeast
Jul 18, 2011
berl wrote:
wow. It's been a great Tour for Garmin, especially with Thor's stage win... but too bad that Tyler Farrar has become a giant whiner I don't know about what really did or didn't happen with Cavendish out the back of the laughing group, but I do know that innuendo with cameras isn't the best way to deal with it. Thursday's going to be a great day for GC racing... can't wait!


yea.. tyler went backpedalling at a full sprint today
velonews.competitor.com/2011/0...

a commosaire motorcycle stayed with Cav the whole time. It is not like they just leave these guys alone out there.

Just cuz HTC rode on the front the entire day and still had more guys for the lead out than Garmin had for tyler is no reason to get all pissy about it ;) I think Tyler lost a lot of fans for that.


Thursday is going to be insane.. 3 HC climbs in a row. Then knowing they still Galibier AGAIN and Alp d'huez on friday..

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By JPVallone
Jul 18, 2011
I was climbing under the Col du Galibier today, It's a circus over there, Maybe 400 RV's all with their satellite dishes on their roofs ready and in positions. The circus is in town and it's about to get really exciting up here, I will be riding from La Grave to the Col du Lauteret to watch the madness since the road will be closed all day in and out of La Grave.

Pretty cool to see the energy in the town right now.

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By Monomaniac
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From Morrison, CO
Jul 18, 2011
Insurrection, 5.14c.  Photo Adam Sanders.
Joe, be sure to take some pics for us! I want you to verify that Cav isn't holding onto the team car when he goes by.

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By Jake D.
From Northeast
Jul 18, 2011
Cool! that would be tons of fun. Climbing, riding and seeing the pro's hammer up a big frikken mountain.

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By jack roberts
Jul 18, 2011
Joe,

I wanna see you in the first chase group!

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By Jake D.
From Northeast
Jul 18, 2011
jack roberts wrote:
Joe, I wanna see you in the first chase group!


please for the love of bob keep your pants on!

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By JPVallone
Jul 20, 2011
Not looking good around here,

Snow too about 2600 meters or so. I didn't see the sun all day yesterday, and looking at the col du lautaret from my house it seems like things might be getting white up there.

Kind of sucks because I had to resort to that other kind of climbing where you put those clippy things in those metal hook thingies that are already in the rock. It's hard to consider that climbing when your sitting under Ecrin National Park and at least 100 different diamonds to choose from :-(

Better then nothing I guess, but climbing while in a puffy is no fun either, Seriously, it's cold here and the weather is not looking good tomorrow either. I might be the guy ski touring past the Tour up the Col Du Galibier tomorrow, LOL

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By Jim Gloeckler
From Denver, Colo.
Jul 21, 2011
Great day for Andy today. I hope to see an encore performance tomorrow. I look for Frank to help out with the pace tomorrow for insurance purposes. What a great event so far!

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By Crag Dweller
From New York, NY
Jul 21, 2011
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Dave Holliday wrote:
Great stage today. I'm guessing that Leopard Trek and the other top teams now regret letting Voeckler go up the road on stage 9. He will no longer be given that freedom in a grand tour.


Nah, they're probably happy that he's had the pressure of wearing the jersey. And, while his performance has been extremely impressive and far beyond what anyone thought he was capable of, he's not a true threat to the GC contenders by virtue of his abilities, which is slowly becoming more apparent as his hold on the jersey is being whittled away.

The way the others had ridden until today is the reason it appeared he might actually stand a chance. If Frandy Schleck had had the guts to lay down a serious attack earlier or Contador were in form; the Cinderella story would've been over much sooner.

Having said all that, it would've been great to see him ride in to Paris triumphantly. I was rooting for him if for no other reason than to teach some of the current GC guys to stop being pansies and race.

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By Woodchuck ATC
Jul 21, 2011
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008
I'm out of touch here; when is the race over?? This week or end of month?

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By berl
From Seattle
Jul 21, 2011
Crag Dweller wrote:
I was rooting for him if for no other reason than to teach some of the current GC guys to stop being pansies and race.


I think AC's blowup today suggests that he couldn't really have done any more racing today or earlier in the tour anyway, and Evans has been pretty active, although today's chase was a bit of a cluster.
The time gaps today are exactly why the contemporary GC tactics are what they are- it's less effective to wear yourself out gaining a handful of seconds if someone is going to take 4 minutes out of you on one of the real mountain stages.

Tomorrow should be some exciting racing- if Frank rides hard for Andy and Voeckler explodes, there is room on the podium for Basso or maybe cunego or a resurgent AC.

ATC: the tour finishes with the usual (almost) ceremonial sprint stage in Paris on Sunday, Friday is the last road stage (including some awesome climbs) and Saturday is an individual time trial.

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By Crag Dweller
From New York, NY
Jul 21, 2011
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berl wrote:
...The time gaps today are exactly why the contemporary GC tactics are what they are- it's less effective to wear yourself out gaining a handful of seconds if someone is going to take 4 minutes out of you on one of the real mountain stages...


That's true but, if the Schlecks had thrown down some serious attacks in the Pyrenees, they would've gained more than a handful of seconds. Prior to today, their attacks were lacking any commitment. You don't attack for 50 meters and then look up to see what've you done and where your brother is if you want to win the tour. You attack and keep your eyes up the road.

And, considering how he's been going for most of the tour, I don't think Contador's attacks have come with the sting they typically have.

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By Jake D.
From Northeast
Jul 21, 2011
Crag Dweller wrote:
Nah, they're probably happy that he's had the pressure of wearing the jersey. And, while his performance has been extremely impressive and far beyond what anyone thought he was capable of, he's not a true threat to the GC contenders by virtue of his abilities, which is slowly becoming more apparent as his hold on the jersey is being whittled away. The way the others had ridden until today is the reason it appeared he might actually stand a chance. If Frandy Schleck had had the guts to lay down a serious attack earlier or Contador were in form; the Cinderella story would've been over much sooner. Having said all that, it would've been great to see him ride in to Paris triumphantly. I was rooting for him if for no other reason than to teach some of the current GC guys to stop being pansies and race.



Uhh #1 rule of cycling.... don't attack when a teammate is in the break... All he was supposed to do today was sit on AC and Cadel's wheel and do absolutely no work. which he did perfectly. Now you have a super fresh Frank to either bury himself for Andy or go on a big ass attack for himself.

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By Crag Dweller
From New York, NY
Jul 21, 2011
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Jake D. wrote:
Uhh #1 rule of cycling.... don't attack when a teammate is in the break... All he was supposed to do today was sit on AC and Cadel's wheel and do absolutely no work. which he did perfectly. Now you have a super fresh Frank to either bury himself for Andy or go on a big ass attack for himself.


You mean like today, when Posthuma and Monfort were up the road? Or, when Armstrong attacked with Landis up the road in whatever tour that was? They're utilizing strategies that are a bit more complex. And,fwiw, there are other ways that attacks from teammates behind can be used effectively.

Attacking can sometimes disrupt a chase, just as attacks w/in the break disrupt their flow and often result in lower time gaps.

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By Monomaniac
Administrator
From Morrison, CO
Jul 21, 2011
Insurrection, 5.14c.  Photo Adam Sanders.
It was cool to watch the last 100m and see how completely destroyed the riders were. Andy looked especially spent, so I wonder how he will ride tomorrow. Maybe with yellow in his grasp he can dig deep, but Frank Schleck certainly seems in the best position to have a great ride tomorrow.

Very impressive ride by Cadel, too bad for him the yellow jersey is too cowardly to contribute anything to the chase, even when he has a teammate in the final group.

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By JoeP
From Littleton, CO
Jul 22, 2011
Wow. Great stage. Hat's off to Andy, amazing ride.

Craig - agreed on nearly all counts. Only disagreement is whether Andy could have attacked in the Pyrenees, he certainly seemed to ride into form over the course of the Tour.

Mono - the chase was a testament to Cadel's grit but not sure Voeckler or his teammate had it in them to really contribute, toward the end Voeckler put his guy on the front only to pop right off.

How much $$ has Contador offered Sanchez to help him during this Tour?

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By Dom
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From New Brunswick Canada
Jul 22, 2011
Moby dick 5.11-
Andy has to attack again tomorrow if he wants to wear jaune in Paris. He's not a great time trialist but Cadel is. So tomorrow is his last chance to give him a cushion for the TT in Grenoble on Saturday.

Would be really interesting to see Frank attacking since like many mentioned, he will be fresh tomorrow. I don't see it happening though, Andy is there man and Frank will be working hard for him tomorrow.

Great tour so far!

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By Jake D.
From Northeast
Jul 22, 2011
Dom wrote:
Andy has to attack again tomorrow if he wants to wear jaune in Paris. He's not a great time trialist but Cadel is. So tomorrow is his last chance to give him a cushion for the TT in Grenoble on Saturday. Would be really interesting to see Frank attacking since like many mentioned, he will be fresh tomorrow. I don't see it happening though, Andy is there man and Frank will be working hard for him tomorrow. Great tour so far!



OR... Andy attacked today so that frank could sit in and rest up? Since Frank is higher up on GC then he would be able to take out more time. who knows ;) it will be fun either way.

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By JPVallone
Jul 22, 2011
I road to the lauteret yesterday, First time on a road bike, I borrowed a bike that was too big, Wore my Petzl meteor helmet, and street clothes without clipless peddles that everyone told me I should have for some reason. I also had a 6 pack of beer on me and drank most of it, during the ascent, should of brought more. , It really was a good excuse to party. My friends and some others around me asked if I was joking, Pretty lame attitude amongst the bikers if you ask me,. While riding up the col, everyone was trying to race eachother , even me, Why? It was pretty easy, and I wasn't racing anybody. I didn't even know how to shift the bike until 30 minutes into the ride. Bikers are weird people. LOL.

All my friends were too serious and all look sponsored and they are not, Too funny, In La Grave they say skiing is not a fashion, and here it is not, but they should make a shirt that says Cycling is a fashion, LOL

Anyway They wouldn't let bikes past the Lauteret, So I walked to the top of Galiber , That was a hump, but with beer in hand the whole way up after the warm up ride to the Lauteret, it was easy and went by pretty quick. Good people watching. I ended up 2k from the finish line at the 3rd to last switchback.

The tour was pretty cool to see that close, I don't know any sport in the world where you can actually run on the playing field next to the athletes. As cool as it was to see, I am glad they are leaving, My house is invaded with about 10 people I know one of them, they are trendy wannabe cyclists, I know nothing of cycling and they are following the tour and don't know much about it, Too funny, Armchair quarterbacking it. Like most people that pass through La Grave, they have no idea where they are and are just passing through. Video and Pics to come, Don't get me wrong, It was cool to see this up close for the first time, But please leave and give us back our village, LOL

stay tuned for some fun pics

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By Crag Dweller
From New York, NY
Jul 22, 2011
My navigator keeps me from getting lost
Jake D. wrote:
OR... Andy attacked today so that frank could sit in and rest up? Since Frank is higher up on GC then he would be able to take out more time. who knows ;) it will be fun either way.


And, that's the real sharp end of yesterday's tactics by Leopard. If Andy's attack had failed, Frank could then have attacked the rest after they were completely spent. Today, Frank can go on the attack (perhaps on the Galibier again), setting up Andy to attack on the Alpe. There's my prediction: Frank goes on the Galibier and force the rest to drag Andy to the Alpe for the death blow.

Edit to Add: Wow, with Contador's attacks, I think my prediction can be thrown out the winow.

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By CJC
Jul 22, 2011
Monomaniac wrote:
too bad for him the yellow jersey is too cowardly to contribute anything to the chase, even when he has a teammate in the final group.


the little frenchman has given new meaning to the 'yellow' jersey

I really hope someone takes it off him today

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By JSH
Administrator
Jul 22, 2011
JSH @ home  photo courtesy of Gabe Ostriker
So, Andy did some pulling up the first HC climb today, benefiting only Contador. Why?

Speaking of Voeckler not contributing to the chase - neither did Evans today, even when it looked like Andy Schleck asked him to on Alpe d'Huez.

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By Jake D.
From Northeast
Jul 22, 2011
I'll defend tommy V a bit.. he was cooked yesterday and got absolutely dumped today.. he was fighting in a different weight class and the rounds added up.

Not a horrible day for the Schlecks.. they did what they had to do.. AC helped keep AC at a reasonable length and didn't lose any time to Cadel. now Andy has 1min buffer and gets to know exactly what he has to do while he's on course with Cadel 2mins ahead on the road.

should be good times :)

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