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Oct 13, 2011
It is so funny to see people compare cams by just a glance at the heads. Especially when trying to compare Black Diamond C4s to others. BD C4 have a double axle.

The Purple BD and the Red Totem Basic have almost the same range.

Black Diamond C4 - .5 (Purple) = 19mm to 33mm

Totem Basic .95 (RED) = 19mm to 31mm

So really, they are the same size cam. Cause who uses a cam in the up 25% of the range.
BASE99999
Joined Mar 10, 2011
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Oct 13, 2011
Chiller Pillar, Adirondacks
I've found visually comparing them helps a bunch. From the picture I can see that the Totem Red will fit in a more shallow slot than the purple C4.

And yes, the Totem Red is slightly smaller than the C4 -- 2mm, that is. And yes, even if you only use both cams no more than 75% extended, the purple C4 will hold slightly better in a crack at the higher end of its range compared to the Totem Red because it is slightly bigger.

A visual comparison is a good indicator of where you might have overlaps or holes in your rack.

Another person might have filled out this same gap b/w the purple C4 and the yellow C3 with the 0.4 and 0.3 C4. I chose the Totem Basic cams because I think they'll give me more placement options (like piton scars).
TheIceManCometh
From Albany, NY
Joined Aug 15, 2011
536 points
Oct 20, 2011
Me placing a cam at the crux - photo courtesy G. H...
Does anyone know if Totem has plans to make smaller basics? I never used aliens, but from what I've read, the smallest sizes are where they really excel. Simon Hatfield
From Oakland, CA
Joined Apr 22, 2010
273 points
Oct 21, 2011
Grande Grotto
Simon Hatfield wrote:
Does anyone know if Totem has plans to make smaller basics? I never used aliens, but from what I've read, the smallest sizes are where they really excel.


Yes and No. Once you got below the Green Alien the design changed. The cams were too small to use the internal spring design so they went back to the normal external spring setup. This made the head width of the cam WIDER than other options in that size range. In areas where the cracks were DEEP (Moab, IC) the wider head width didn't make a difference in placements so the Blue and Black Aliens still were good. In other areas where the cracks bottomed out or where pin scared the wider head width was a liability for more placements.

I think once you get below a Green Alien, BD C3s or Master Cams are a better choice.

That said, I too have heard from Totem that they'll eventually get to making other sizes.
mattm
From TX
Joined Jun 2, 2006
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Oct 21, 2011
Are they still that super-soft aluminum that CCH made them out of? I prefer the "normal" aluminum of WC or BD, metolius is unnecessarily hard, IMO, and the old Aliens were so soft that the cams deformed if you fell on them hard. Pete Spri
Joined Jun 1, 2009
139 points
Oct 23, 2011
Sign near the Third Flatiron
Functionality-wise, how would you expect these Totem Basics to perform better/worse than Metolious Mastercams of the same size?

I find the Mastercams size 1 and smaller are fantastic in pin scars in granite. Would the Totems work better? Why?

I have no experience with offsets.
Chris D
From the couch
Joined Apr 14, 2009
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Nov 3, 2011
team
Spri wrote:
Are they still that super-soft aluminum that CCH made them out of? I prefer the "normal" aluminum of WC or BD, metolius is unnecessarily hard, IMO, and the old Aliens were so soft that the cams deformed if you fell on them hard.


Boy, that shows that you don't know what you are talking about.
Mark S
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Nov 3, 2011
Colonel Mustard
Killis Howard wrote:
Now that I'm dirty broke again, I'm gonna see which ones start having brazing issues and blown heads first, and then buy a couple of the other company's.


Always a solid plan with new gear. Even new old gear.

Does anybody else get absolutely nothing out of the bitchy technical wanking? It must be engineers' nature or something ;).
Colonel Mustard
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Nov 26, 2011
After placing an order on the Totem website, how long has it been taking folks to receive the order? Kevin Landolt
From Fort Collins, Wyoming
Joined Jun 1, 2009
642 points
Nov 26, 2011
Chiller Pillar, Adirondacks
Took 8 days from order to receipt from Oregon to New York. TheIceManCometh
From Albany, NY
Joined Aug 15, 2011
536 points
Nov 27, 2011
Flaming Pumpkin
4 days from order to receipt. Evan Sanders
From Westminster, CO
Joined Dec 10, 2010
145 points
Dec 5, 2011
Heads up, a box of 30 of these Totem Basics were stolen in Portland Oregon. If anyone sees any suspicions sales (brand new Totem basics from a non-climber Meth head type for instance) please report it on cascadeclimbers.com attention Plaidman. cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbt...

...and if you were thinking of giving Totems for Christmas, please do so as to support them in their time of need, and be generous if the previously fast shipments are not duplicated.




Regards to all.
Billcoe
Joined Mar 16, 2006
580 points
Apr 25, 2012
Boardwalk at Ship Rock NC
Anyone had a chance to get out and use the Totem Basics over the past few months since this thread went up? Just wondering how the most recent comparisons of Totem, Fixe, and the originals are looking. Matt Westlake
Joined Jul 14, 2009
558 points
Apr 25, 2012
Mark S wrote:
Boy, that shows that you don't know what you are talking about.

Doesn't sound like you've ever seen a well used one.
Pete Spri
Joined Jun 1, 2009
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