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By AK123
From Salt Lake City, UT
Mar 15, 2013
North Buttress Mt. Hunter, AK

Any negative or positive reviews for particular brand(s) of adhesive toe warmers? I've read & experienced too much inconsistency & haven't had too much recent experience (i.e. used to think Grabbers were great but have heard too many negative reviews to not seek further input). I'm hoping to find a brand that works consistently & are reliable, adhesive, & not too bulky.

Apologies if this seems like a dumb inquiry. I've got Raynaud's & need all the help I can get while alpine climbing (especially in AK) in efforts to mitigate frostbite risk, despite already using Spantiks, Bartura liners heat molded to my foot, overboots, etc.

Thanks in advance for any input...


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By randy88fj62
Mar 16, 2013
Thunderbolt Peak in the Palisades

I was at a slide show presentation by chad kellogg this past wednesday. He was talking about his time in Patagonia and his 3rd upcoming speed attempt of mt everest.

He mentioned he uses electric insoles to keep his feet warm for up to 17 hours. Since you're in AK and if you have money to throw down I'd look at those.


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By Vaughn Fetzer
From Fairbanks, AK
Mar 17, 2013

I don't know, Grabbers seem to work OK for me and aren't too bulky. Sounds like you're doing all the right things. Making sure to warm my shells before inserting the liners and putting them on can help a lot. A small nalgene or platypus filled with hot water that can fit in the toe area of your shells works, as can placing the shell on top of your cook pot while you're melting snow. Good luck.


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By Luc
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From Montreal
Mar 18, 2013
The El

Make sure you get the Baruntse liners molded with enough room to have the toe warmer pack and wiggle your toes (using extra toe caps when molding). You might also be able to mold the Spantik liners.

I've had my boot fitting expert (Austrian Ski Shop in Montreal) fit my fiancÚs Intuition liners in her Spantik with this in mind (will eventually get Baruntse liners though).
He's also modified double plastic boots shells and liners to add room for the head packs.

My friend used heated soles and gloves for his winter alpine attempts of Hidden Peak. That $350+ expense can save your toes.


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By Type4Fun
Mar 18, 2013
Resting up after a day of sends.

Not big mountain advice, but when using the disposable toe warmers when ice climbing and standing around, I've started putting them above my toes. Putting them underneath can scrunch up socks, etc., and sometimes made them colder.


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By AK123
From Salt Lake City, UT
Mar 18, 2013
North Buttress Mt. Hunter, AK

Thanks all for the advice! I've been testing out various brands & will post with any significant results within the next few days


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By AK123
From Salt Lake City, UT
Mar 25, 2013
North Buttress Mt. Hunter, AK

Update after some testing...

I didn't notice any drastic differences from the brands I tested (toasty toes & grabbers), at least from the couple times I tried each of them out. They both worked for about 1/2 to 3/4 of the full time advertised, and seemed to let off similar levels of heat as well; descent and better than nothing, but not great.

The Grabbers seem to be a bit less expensive & more widely available. With that said, it's probably smart to ensure the MD on these isn't excessively old, which is a bigger issue to look out for when buying in bulk from discount warehouse type distributors.

Cheers,

Aaron


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By Ryan N
From San Louis Obispo
Mar 25, 2013
RJN

Did you ever try cutting down the thickness of your socks? In Colorado, I have always struggled with cold toes ice climbing/mountianeering. A buddy of mine suggested that my socks were too thick. The idea is that if your foot/toes are packed tightly in a boot, there's no wiggle room, then your toes can't move to keep blood circulating. Also, there is no room for air. I climb in the Scarpa Phantom Guides(single boot), but after I switched from a thick wool sock to a thin wool liner, the difference was significant. Not sure if same rules apply to a double boot, but might be worth a try. Also I imagine its much colder in AK. That's my 2cents...


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By superkick
From West Hartford, CT
Mar 25, 2013
Free Solo up hitchcock gully WI3

I usually wear nothing more than a lightweight wool hiking sock with my spantiks.

this has kept my feet perfectly warm down to -20.

The one time I wore heavyweight wool socks my toes were freezing all day.


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By AK123
From Salt Lake City, UT
Mar 26, 2013
North Buttress Mt. Hunter, AK

Thanks all for the input...Ya I've tried pretty much all of the possible advice out there, including bigger boot, thinner single sock, liner sock with both a thin second & a thick second, etc. etc. And ya, AK is COLD (if you're in the good parts of AK, that is)...The most clear memory I have from Denali a few years ago was how amazing it felt to have hands and feet that weren't numb on the drive back from Talkeetna to Anchorage. But all the "suffering" is worth it, of course.

I think I've got my boot system as dialed as its going to get, so now just hoping for a miracle toe warmer to come out on the market..For anyone in a similar situation (with Spantiks), I think that heat molding a pair of the baruntse liners (can buy them directly from LS NA) to my Spantiks has been the biggest help so far.

One aspect of the boot/sock system I'm always interested to hear opinions on is brand preference (and model, if one stands out). Darn Tough seems to be the hottest brand right now, but I've never had as good a fit as the SmartWool PHD's (also relatively thin for how warm they are, which is nice). And I hated original smart wools. A few people have recommended Point6 to me, so I'm interested in picking up a pair and testing them on some training climbs. Any particular style or model of that brand anyone can recommend (or recommend against)? Thanks

Cheers,

Aaron

Cheers,

Aaron


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By Dobson
From Butte, MT
Mar 26, 2013

I have been enjoying my J.B. Fields socks. The value is really excellent. They hold up well and the fit is good. They may not be better in fit and performance than the other top brands, but they are comparable and generally less expensive.


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By Cale Hoopes
From Sammamish, WA
Mar 26, 2013
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I did a side by side taste test of warmers.

Grabbers suck IMHO. They don't get as hot and stay as hot. Worked horribly at Ouray.

Heat Factor ROCKS. Absolutely the best in my opinion. Worked great on Denali.


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By Kevin Heckeler
From Upstate New York
Mar 27, 2013
Rumney

All toe warmers fail once they get wet, and despite the cold our feet sweat A LOT in boots (especially when active in them). A good liner sock and not over insulating is one approach. There's also better socks available than Smartwool, that offer same protection but don't take up as much space in the boot. A scrunched/compressed sock is less effective.

I also have Renauld's and find that I just need to wiggle my toes a lot, not tie my boots too tight, and wear a good non-Smartwool mountaineering sock (with liner) that's warm but not puffy. But there's always a point in the day where the only thing that keeps me warm is climbing.

I use Teko socks if you're curious. www.tekosocks.com/activity/ice-climbing.html


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By EricSchmidt
Mar 27, 2013

Kevin Heckeler wrote:
All toe warmers fail once they get wet, and despite the cold our feet sweat A LOT in boots (especially when active in them). A good liner sock and not over insulating is one approach. There's also better socks available than Smartwool, that offer same protection but don't take up as much space in the boot.



What makes a sock so much better than smart wool? I imagine sock technology can not be that advanced....


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By s.price
From PS,CO
Mar 27, 2013
 Morning Dew ,self portrait

Sprinkle red pepper on your feet and in your socks. Greatly increases blood flow and has worked for me from AK to South America.


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By Kevin Heckeler
From Upstate New York
Mar 28, 2013
Rumney

EricSchmidt wrote:
What makes a sock so much better than smart wool? I imagine sock technology can not be that advanced....


Theres lots of room for variability. And of course there's the increase cost for better materials and build quality. Just like with many things, you get what you pay for. I have a large collection of socks and every one has a particular purpose. I like smart wool for hiking but prefer teko for mountaineering/climbing.


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By EricSchmidt
Mar 28, 2013

Kevin Heckeler wrote:
Theres lots of room for variability. And of course there's the increase cost for better materials and build quality. Just like with many things, you get what you pay for. I have a large collection of socks and every one has a particular purpose. I like smart wool for hiking but prefer teko for mountaineering/climbing.


Didn't really answer my question... I guess you are saying durability? How advanced can sock "materials" be. Isn't it usually just wool or some polypro material?

I guess if you have super sensitive girly feet you need something special.


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By Kevin Heckeler
From Upstate New York
Mar 29, 2013
Rumney

EricSchmidt wrote:
Didn't really answer my question... I guess you are saying durability? How advanced can sock "materials" be. Isn't it usually just wool or some polypro material? I guess if you have super sensitive girly feet you need something special.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raynaud's_phenomenon

There's nothing girlie about Raynaud's. Hope karma slaps your ass with a chronic case of it. Says a lot about someone willing to climb in the cold despite having that condition.

Yes, there are a lot of variables between materials and how fine things are stitched, etc. Otherwise we'd all just plod around in $3 wool socks from Walmart.

The world of the internet awaits your thirsty mind. Try google.com to learn more about socks instead of pestering me.


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