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By Christian "crisco" Burrell
From PG, Utah
May 8, 2012
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Eh...whatever. The only people it really matters for are FA's and sponsored folk. Everybody else just does what they want to do. It all depends on your goals.


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By csproul
From Rancho Cordova, CA
May 8, 2012
Summit of Wolf's Head with Pingora in the background

Christian "crisco" Burrell wrote:
Eh...whatever. The only people it really matters for are FA's and sponsored folk. Everybody else just does what they want to do. It all depends on your goals.

For the most part, this is probably true. But many people use websites like this to find climbing partners for whatever reason (traveling, moved, tired of our old partners...) and the ticklist is often one part of evaluating potential partners. Misrepresenting your climbing ability on your ticklist can definitely lead to disappointment (at the least). This is not unique to the internet. People overstate their ability all the time, but now we have a more public means to do so.


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By Unassigned User
May 8, 2012

I was unaware that the ticklist was public...Upon finding out that this was the case I raced to my ticklist in panic, sure that I was one of thoses awful awful liars! Shame on me. Come to find out, most every route I mention on it if I Tr'ed it or led it or could not do it so I aided my way up it. That being said I have been following a rope gun for the last year or so so a lot of our trips I knew I followed all the climbs. Did I mention that? No. Because I know. So I am sorry if I ticked some 5.8 or 5.9 in the Tree and failed to tell all of you others out there that it was TR. I must be a bad person. Please don't beat me!


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By Will S
From Joshua Tree
May 8, 2012

There's another way to record your own ascents, without using the tick feature...just give them a star rating. It's still public, but you won't have some wankers giving you shit about your 3-hang TR "tick" of a route and you can still keep up with what you've done (although without the notes).

Most places I can remember everything I've done, and the specifics of style, whether I RP'd or hung or whatever. But in Josh, there are so many pitches, with many being more or less the same grain-paddling slab that isn't that memorable, and my count is high enough that I do like to mark them somehow because I've fogotten having climbed some of em.


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By Unassigned User
May 8, 2012

Will S wrote:
There's another way to record your own ascents, without using the tick feature...just give them a star rating. It's still public, but you won't have some wankers giving you shit about your 3-hang TR "tick" of a route and you can still keep up with what you've done (although without the notes). Most places I can remember everything I've done, and the specifics of style, whether I RP'd or hung or whatever. But in Josh, there are so many pitches, with many being more or less the same grain-paddling slab that isn't that memorable, and my count is high enough that I do like to mark them somehow because I've fogotten having climbed some of em.



I agree about the Tree, I have had days when I climbed 10 routes, followed or led. Sometimes it all just blends together. I go through my guide books and make notes next to climbs or just a star so I know I climbed it. I just used the tick feature on MP because it was there. Now I think I will go back to just marking my guide books.


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By frankstoneline
May 8, 2012


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By Jan Roestel
May 8, 2012

"To tick off a route."
Before online tick list, climbers relied on the reports that other climbers gave of routes and when these climbers stated to their peers that they "ticked a route" it meant that they had climbed the route completely and in good style. Depending on the era, what "good style" has meant different things. Ground up, siege, aid, clean aid, free, light and fast. "Good style" could even mean a lot of top-rope rehearsal before the redpoint ala Gritstone routes.

So climbers maintained "Tick Lists" of routes that they wanted to eventually climb, hopefully ticking off the listed routes over time.

On MP.com, with the "To do list" and the "Tick List" functions, I can see how users have interpreted the "tick(ed) list" to only mean completed routes. If you are working on it or want to mark it as climb to do in the future, it seems to me it would go on the "To do List" online here. When I logged routes routes here, that is how I utilized these two features (it appears that I haven't use this feature in quite sometime.)

My current "Tick List" is an Excel spreadsheet that combines the two MP.com features on one sheet: Routes I want to do or am working on and then a couple columns to note the ascent in what "good style" I did it and when.

The other often, ill-spoken of climbing website's climbing log is called just that a "Climbing Log" and offers multiple types of ascents, not a default of the assumed good style.

The tradition of reporting an ascent is muddled here on MountainProject for a couple reasons, from ignorance of terminology in the traditional context to a limited functionality implemented feature set.

Climbers have always been taken on their word when is comes to reporting ascents. The partners are often the only witnesses and we as a community take their reports on good faith. So I understand when others cry foul when they report an ascent but omit the fine print with the given tools here on MP.com.

Given the various levels of experience and exposure of the online community, we need to continue to share ideas and experiences to build understanding an why certain things are important.

"You keep ah using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya


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By ian watson
From Albuquerque, NM
May 8, 2012

what do I do when half the things I climb are not on MP for me to tick? If I climb a A1, a VB+ and a 5.2 should I just find a 5.9 to tick to level out my stats?


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By Chad Wagner
May 8, 2012
me

Those damn ticks! Bastards are bad this year. Picked 8 off my dog on frontline after a weekend trip to RRG. I wouldn't be claiming those ugly parasitic arachnids or putting them on MP. You tick mongers have something wrong in the head.


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By slk
From Reno, NV
May 8, 2012
me

What a silly debate. Go climb.


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By Unassigned User
May 8, 2012

slk wrote:
What a silly debate. Go climb.




But but but.... I am sitting in my office bored. It is slow. Later I will climb but right now, someone on the internet is wrong!!!! It is probably me, but that does not mean that I will not go out in flames!


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By Jan Roestel
May 8, 2012

Right on John! So what routes do you want to go tick off this afternoon?


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By slk
From Reno, NV
May 8, 2012
me


But but but.... I am sitting in my office bored. It is slow. Later I will climb but right now, someone on the internet is wrong!!!! It is probably me, but that does not mean that I will not go out in flames!


You're funny, flame on!


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By Darren Mabe
From Flagstaff, AZ
May 8, 2012
wham bam hand jam. Wrapping up the final moves of Twist of Fate, Oak Creek Canyon. <br /> <br />photo: Blake McCord

some ticks are bigger than others.


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
May 8, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

Well, think of it this way. If their tick says they hung, they are not claiming anything other than saying that they hung.

Where is the horrible deception in that?

I use it as a climbing journal to keep track of when I've been on a route, pass or fail. I mark it pass, fail, or flail if I want to keep track.
Am I allowed to "tick" a route I flashed years ago but followed today?
Keep making rules, and I'll keep breaking them.


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By J Q
May 8, 2012
Me again!

What is the difference between lying on MP and lying to yourself? It's a hell of a lot easier to lie on MP than yourself.

The hordes of chufftastic noobs claiming that the term "tick" can be applied to different scenarios proves that. No, you didn't tick a route because you top roped it, you top roped it, so what? If you are embarrassed about your top roping, stop top roping. You can call some of my sends pink point because that is what they are, but that doesn't change the fact you top rope routes and claim them as ticks.

Ahhhh, the level of nobbery on this site is hilarious, not to discount the level of snobbery, which is expected.

Ultimately, who the hell cares except my ego, your ego, and all the ego's in between.

I ran a minute mile yesterday, except I was in my car.


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By Unassigned User
May 8, 2012

Jan Roestel wrote:
Right on John! So what routes do you want to go tick off this afternoon?



I dunno I might just go boulder... Alot of the spots in town have chalk all over the holds. Should I be allowed to tick these? I did not really figure out the beta myself...

On a side note. I wanted to climb yesterday, I even was stoked up to lead a 5.7 (maybe a 5.8 too!!) At the crag my buddy turned to me and informed me he left the rope in his car... Moral of the story, be careful what routes you tick, and bring your own rope.


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
May 8, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

Jonhy Q wrote:
What is the difference between lying on MP and lying to yourself?

Q: Where is the lie if someone is claiming to have hung?
A: The lie is coming from the person making something out of nothing: the person stomping up and down petulantly screaming "liar liar..."

"You can't handle the truth!"
-Jack Nicholas

I'm still trying to figure out what kind of proverbial ball-sniffer is out there inspecting other people's climbing journals.


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By David N
May 8, 2012

www.thecrag.com

Ticks by style (working, utter failure, top rope, top rope with rest, etc etc), private logging, trip planning...

I thought mp.com was actually more advanced than this, but I now realise an Aussie web site is WAY ahead of this one. Just another example of how we rock I guess!


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By LeeAB
Administrator
From ABQ, NM
May 8, 2012
Once we landed we headed to Font to find a place to stay for the night before doing a day of wine tasting and heading to Buoux.

David N wrote:
www.thecrag.com Ticks by style (working, utter failure, top rope, top rope with rest, etc etc), private logging, trip planning... I thought mp.com was actually more advanced than this, but I now realise an Aussie web site is WAY ahead of this one. Just another example of how we rock I guess!


From "the crag", types of ticks:
General ascents (Use these if you don't want to log the style of the ascent.)
Tick - I climbed this route.
Clean- I climbed this route without resting.

For more check their page HERE

Not saying it is right but in their terminology, a "tick" is just getting up the thing, not necessarily clean.

BTW, this thread is very amusing.


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By saxfiend
Administrator
From Decatur, GA
May 9, 2012
Relaxing at the P1 belay of Fruit Loops at Rumbling Bald.

LeeAB wrote:
BTW, this thread is very amusing.

Lee, you must really be heartless to find humor in an issue that's causing so much suffering to so many people. I bet you burn ants with a magnifying glass.

JL


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