This anchor...
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Is this anchor ok? I used it to rap/TR solo a bunch of routes today. I saw some other guy using it and thought it was the simplest, easiest anchor to build. ...and yes, that's a Moosejaw sweatshirt laid over the edge... |
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static rope is bomber, as long as its bomber condition wise, and that looks fine. im trying to conceptualize the second one, how was it made? dog earred figure eight i think, then you wrapped the tree twice and then... |
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It is a great static 11.6 line by Bluewater. With Anchor #2 I wrapped the tree twice, tied it just like a cordelette with the backup overhand on one strand. Then made a bight with 4 strands and overhanded it pulling the slack end over the bight before clipping opposing locking biners to the anchor. I like the 2nd better but it also takes longer to build. |
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That first one is text book. Bombzer. As long as the tree is solid. |
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Trango Cinch device to TR solo up and ATC Guide with auto-block for rapping down. |
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either one is fine |
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One thing worth mentioning I think.... |
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bergbryce wrote:One thing worth mentioning I think.... Over time, a tree can be damaged or killed from being used as a climbing anchor. I don't mention this as an over the top tree-hugger, bergbryce wrote:One is by adding some bolts, others have in-situ webbing which seems to reduce rubbing on the bark some, I've added branches around the trunk before too. Takes a bit longer to set up the anchor, but does protect the trunk some.Contradiction? yeah thats what I thought. Tree Hugger. |
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What are you trying to call me out on?? I called out my own contradiction in my post. |
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First one is better as the full wrap spreads the force around the whole tree. |
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Mark Mueller wrote:Tight or loose wrap? Tight for safety of climber and loose for safety of tree?Tight or Loose? Both safe for a person; being cinched MIGHT have a higher load capacity, but nothing significant for only body weight. Being loose is the only chance for the tree.. Being a Botany major, if you cinch the rope completely around the tree, this will eventually cut-off the vascular Phloem, resulting in the tree becoming decadent and less likely to hold a person. If putting high loads or just for the higher comforting-mental state, where the "cinched down" method will be used, then use a piece of carpet in between the rope and the tree to prevent this problem. Plus, the carpet method will preserve the life of the anchor. |
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prod. wrote:All you need is a no-knot knot.That looks terrible for the tree, it rubs all the way around the tree and relies on cinching and friction to hold it. |
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use a tree further from the edge, that thing's barely attached. Doesn't matter how big it is but how well rooted in good soil - that thing looks ready to fall down. |
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+1 on Eli's comment. |
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Eli Helmuth wrote:use a tree further from the edge, that thing's barely attached. Doesn't matter how big it is but how well rooted in good soil - that thing looks ready to fall down.+1 |
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Eli Helmuth wrote:use a tree further from the edge, that thing's barely attached. Doesn't matter how big it is but how well rooted in good soil - that thing looks ready to fall down.You've got to be kidding? David Appelhans wrote: That looks terrible for the tree, it rubs all the way around the tree and relies on cinching and friction to hold it.I would think this has less impact on the tree than the standard 1" webbing looped around the tree. What else would you recommend? Note this is for a temporary anchor. Prod. |
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a small piece of carpeting works really well to pad trees. Or you can get an Edge protector from PMI if you want to spend money. What kind of knot are you using in the 2nd anchor? A better knot to use would be an alpine butterfly. No reason for the double figure 8 either. |
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Actually, but not that it matters, the no knot is the strongest knot as it does not reduce the strength of the rope at all.. |
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prod. wrote:Actually, but not that it matters, the no knot is the strongest knot as it does not reduce the strength of the rope at all.. Read about it if you care to, chockstone.org/TechTips/Tra… Prod.also more commonly referred to as a tensionless hitch if you want to use google. |