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Feb 14, 2010
Left to right - me, Sam Adams, Thomas Huber, Alex ...
Correct. Using your Grigri as an ascender is a *cleaning* method far more than it is a *jugging* method. It works well when you are cleaning on steep, overhanging, traversing terrain, because it is easy to release the Grigri when under tension.

If you have a plumb rope, you can clean faster on jugs.

If you are jugging a fixed rope that is less than vertical, you will do OK with a standard Yosemite jugging system. But I'll still beat you using my Frog system converted to a ropewalker by the addition of the CMI ankle ascender. And I'm old, eh? ;)

As for free-hanging fixed ropes, nothing can compete with the Frog for speed and efficiency, especially when you add the ankle cam.
"Pass the Pitons" Pete Zabrok
From Oakville, Ontario
Joined Dec 8, 2007
640 points
Feb 15, 2010
On the North America Wall in 1977.
Thanks guys,
Kevin, Oh, yeah, I remember you guys! That as a fun day, wasn't it? I love the Diamond!

I understand the feathering thing but the Petzl jugs are too big for my hands. My old Jumars fit me perfectly and I'm having a bit of trouble adapting (although I've only spent two days on them).

Pete,

Yes, jugging is different than cleaning. I figure on the lower angle Grape Race, I'll clean with two jugs. When I get up to Tribal Rite, I'll use a grigri and one jug.

Thanks again,

Mark
Mark Hudon
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I find using two jugs much faster than using the jug and grigri combination UNLESS the terrain dictates it. That's the key. Traversing, roofs, awkward corners, etc - using a jug and grigri is the ticket. John McNamee
From Littleton, CO
Joined Jul 29, 2002
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Feb 15, 2010
On the North America Wall in 1977.
John McNamee wrote:
UNLESS the terrain dictates it.


That's the major lesson right there. Every technique has it's place and time. Knowing when to use what separates the men from the boys, I suspect.
Mark Hudon
Joined Jul 27, 2009
280 points
Feb 16, 2010
"Pass the Pitons" Pete Zabrok wrote:
But I'll still beat you using my Frog system converted to a ropewalker by the addition of the CMI ankle ascender. And I'm old, eh? ;)


I'd take that bet any day...you better get to work on the gut Pete. Maybe see you this Summer?
Kevin Stricker
From Evergreen, CO
Joined Oct 20, 2002
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Feb 21, 2010
Left to right - me, Sam Adams, Thomas Huber, Alex ...
OK, Kevin: so you'll take me on jugging a free-hanging rope of 150' or more, you using your standard Yosemite system with an aider on each jug, and me using my Frog plus ankle cam?

If you agree to the above terms, I'll bet you a 2-4 of beer. Any time in June is fine by me. [I'll need one wall the last week of May to work off my gut!]

Cheers, mate!
"Pass the Pitons" Pete Zabrok
From Oakville, Ontario
Joined Dec 8, 2007
640 points
Sep 9, 2014
Who won?

I'm still dialing in systems, and for me, two jumar method stank on a free hanging rope. Haven't tried frogging yet.
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