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That cool plastic piece on the tie in point of Mammut and Edelrid harnesses?
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By bearbreeder
Nov 7, 2012
just buy a mammut or edelrid haness ... they are usually reasonably priced anyways

its that simple ;)

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By Patrick Carey
From Keene, NY
Nov 8, 2012
For $2.95, that Wild Country T.I.P.P. looks like just the ticket. I hadn't even considered something like that before, but it might be a good addition to a harness, particularly one that you might walk in a lot.

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By Weston L
From Summerlin, NV
Nov 8, 2012
Me at the good rest on Doggie Do
Go for the Edelrid Jay harness. I bought one recently to replace my Petzl Adjama harness, which was having durability issues. It is more comfortable, considerably cheaper, just as packable, and I think has even better gear loops than the good ones on the Petzl harness. Oh, and it has the plastic thing. I'm pretty psyched on it.

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By Danger-Russ Gordon
From Tempe, AZ
Nov 21, 2012
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I decided to try out the "insta-morph" plastic and here are some picture in case anyone was interesting in doing something similar.

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By Danger-Russ Gordon
From Tempe, AZ
Nov 21, 2012
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Melting the plastic
Melting the plastic

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By Danger-Russ Gordon
From Tempe, AZ
Nov 21, 2012
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Before (1)
Before (1)

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By Danger-Russ Gordon
From Tempe, AZ
Nov 21, 2012
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Before (2)
Before (2)

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By Danger-Russ Gordon
From Tempe, AZ
Nov 21, 2012
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After
After

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By Danger-Russ Gordon
From Tempe, AZ
Nov 21, 2012
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Let me know if you have questions, or if you'd like more pictures.

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By Danger-Russ Gordon
From Tempe, AZ
Nov 21, 2012
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Im gonna take it to the gym tonight and whip on it, I'll return and report with any findings/conclusions/things I would have done differently.

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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Nov 21, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.
Yeah, not going to do that. My old Petzl harness wore out at the tie in point as well. I threw the fucking thing in the trash.

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By Danger-Russ Gordon
From Tempe, AZ
Nov 21, 2012
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Stich wrote:
Yeah, not going to do that. My old Petzl harness wore out at the tie in point as well. I threw the fucking thing in the trash.


Hey Stich, thats fair enough, I can see a good argument for that, actually I bought a BD chaos harness a few weeks ago to replace this sama, this was more of a fun experiment (cause I like feeling like a scientist in my kitchen)

Cheers

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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Nov 21, 2012
Mammut and Edelrid share the patent- you wont be seeing it on other harnesses anytime soon.

Do you happen to know the melting point on the plastic you used? Is it anywhere near nylons? That'd be my biggest concern with pouring hot, liquid plastic onto a harness.

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By Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Nov 21, 2012
Middle
That harness is past it's service life.

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By Will S
From Joshua Tree
Nov 21, 2012
I just hope Dangerboy ain't gonna cook up eggs in that cast iron skillet now.

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By Danger-Russ Gordon
From Tempe, AZ
Nov 21, 2012
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hey John, the plastic comes in pellet form, which you pour into hot water between 140-150 F, so not that close to boiling, it then melts into one malleable lumb, which once you take it out of the water you can handle with your bare hands (assuming you did not let the water get to hot) so I assume its not hot enough to do damage to the harness if its cool enough to touch comfortably? but I'm no chemist.

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By Danger-Russ Gordon
From Tempe, AZ
Nov 21, 2012
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Will S wrote:
I just hope Dangerboy ain't gonna cook up eggs in that cast iron skillet now.


Who's comin over for breakfast! :) its actually an old candle holder its about 3 inches wide, just hard to see the scale in the photo.

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By Eddie2170
From Orange County, NY
Nov 21, 2012
I have the Edelrid Smith harness and absolutely love it.

So far the I love having the plastic piece (tie in protector), it actually keeps the lower tie in point open so its even easier to tie in along with making it last longer.


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It also has the laminate technology so its basically a Arc'teryx knockoff & it's super comfortable, plus I couldn't beat the price.

I'd say just get a new harness if you want the piece, Mammut & Edelrid aren't too expensive anyway and they make good products so why not upgrade.

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By Mark Mueller
From Flagstaff, AZ
Nov 22, 2012
Great quality rock on this one!
the mad rock neptune i think had a rubber piece surrounding the top tie in point that wore out after a few months but protected that part of the tie in for awhile...


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By Jeremy Bauman
From Lakewood, CO
Nov 22, 2012
Climbing the headwall of Second Comming
I have a friend that wrapped his abraded Adjama tie in point with climbing tape, seems to be working pretty well for him.

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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Nov 22, 2012
Danger-Russ Gordon wrote:
hey John, the plastic comes in pellet form, which you pour into hot water between 140-150 F, so not that close to boiling, it then melts into one malleable lumb, which once you take it out of the water you can handle with your bare hands (assuming you did not let the water get to hot) so I assume its not hot enough to do damage to the harness if its cool enough to touch comfortably? but I'm no chemist.


at those temps, it should be fine. Nylons melting point is like 600 degrees or something.

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By rock_fencer
From Columbia, SC
Nov 22, 2012
Myself placing a a blue/yellow offset MC to protect between Bolt 2/3 just post crux . <br /> <br />Picture credit goes to eric Singleton, and many thanks to Josh Bagget for the great belay.
John Wilder wrote:
at those temps, it should be fine. Nylons melting point is like 600 degrees or something.



Glass transition temp for nylon is ~50 C MP is ~250C

Deformities can happen well below MP temperatures in plastics

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