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By Ezekiel Thornton
From Akron, Ohio
Apr 10, 2012
Top of Castleton

Got them back. Used at the gym once and thought they weren't edging very well. To rounded? To big of a nose?


TC pros
TC pros



ESP this one
TC pros 2
TC pros 2


posting a picture of your tc pros that are factory would help me.


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By Adam Winters
Administrator
From the Shire
Apr 10, 2012
Red-tail Hawk, Buttermilks

that's a hack job for sure, those edges should be sharp and crisp. Looks like they were training someone using your shoes, major bummer dude. Call 'em up, get your money back


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By Ryan Williams
Administrator
From London (sort of)
Apr 10, 2012
El Chorro

Yea, not sure what they were going for but that doesn't look right to me. R&R is in Boulder right? I got four pair of shoes resoled by them last year and they did an excellent job w/ a quick turn around. I'd say give 'em a call and see what they have to say. Don't be hostile, just give your honest opinion.


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By neal clark
From Moab, UT
Apr 10, 2012

I just had 3 pairs of shoes resoled by R&R. The two pairs of Muiras were perfect but I wasn't very impressed with the TC Pro resole. Not nearly as bad as yours, but there was noticeable rounding on the instep side of the shoes. Post up a response if you contact them.


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By randy88fj62
Apr 10, 2012
Thunderbolt Peak in the Palisades

Looks like you have some great slab shoes with ankle protection...


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By martinharris
From Glenwood Springs CO
Apr 10, 2012

My tc pros look perfect and my second resole on my muiras also look killer
They are a good company so I'd call up and c what they say.


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By Ezekiel Thornton
From Akron, Ohio
Apr 11, 2012
Top of Castleton

I emailed them and there is actually more to the story as far as having another pair coming back (Katana's) that are splitting at the seam on top on the nose. Those are were well done just the seam splitting. and the third pair are perfect. No response yet, I'll keep this updated as it goes. I do believe that R&R is a good company.

This was after the 6th time climbing with them.

Katana's
Katana's


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By Luke Stefurak
From Mountain View, CA
Apr 11, 2012
Below "Inspect Her Gadget" at HP40 after sending it the previous day.

I had a similar problem with a hole forming in the rand under a week of use after a R&R resole. I called them and they offered nothing. Claim of user error (even if i do drag my toes the shoe should last more than 5 gym sessions). They only guarantee the glue between the sole and the rand.

Seems like pretty crappy service. I think they have become more popular recently and that has caused a certain percentage of their work to be lower quality.

I've used them for years and have recently started having more issues with their rand work.

- Luke


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By Ezekiel Thornton
From Akron, Ohio
Jun 7, 2012
Top of Castleton

Well after sending the email to the wrong address I called back again. They told me to send them back for rework. I didn't send the katana's cause I need to use them so I'll deal for now.

But I'm satisfied with the service.


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By csproul
From Rancho Cordova, CA
Jun 7, 2012
Summit of Wolf's Head with Pingora in the background

The real question is why would you use a $180 pair of TC Pros in the gym? That does look a bit hack to me. My new TC pros have pretty sharp edges. Resoling is an art, sometimes it goes well and sometimes not. I'd rather have it done well from the start, but how a company handles the bad jobs also says a lot about them. Hope you get it fixed.


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By superjosh
Jun 7, 2012

I've had very good luck with Rock & Resole: only one unsatisfactory job in 20+ soles. Most of those resoles have lasted longer and performed better than the original factory sole. I attribute my positive experience in part to the fact that I never get toe caps. Climbing shoe "break-in" means conforming the rand to the shape of your toes, primarily the big toe. A toe cap means starting the break-in process anew, with the attendant discomfort and decrease in performance.

For shoes with a thinner rand (generally high performance shoes), a "no toe cap" policy may mean you won't get more than one resole before the rands blow out. But for a shoe with a burly rand like the TC Pro, you should get a couple soles before failure. For me, the trade-off is worth it. By the time I'm through two soles, the rest of the shoe is pretty much destroyed anyway.

Food for thought.


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By whittlesticks
From Nederland
Jun 7, 2012
hanging at the bridger jacks campground

I have had hundreds of shoes resoled over at r & r over the years. I feel that they always do a great job, but have noticed in the past year that they seem super busy!! I have personally spoken to the owner about resoling tc pros, which he explains are a pain in the ass. There is stiching under the toe cap that seems to make them more difficult. As for the rounding on the soles. I dont think there is a problem there. Tc's have super thick rubber on them, and I think the rounding just makes them look cleaner once the job is done, and dont see how that could effect you edging on real rock. I would continue to use rock and resole if I were you. They have never let me down. Plus I have never had to wait longer than a couple of days to get my shoes back if you ask.


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By Bryan Gilmore
From Your Mama
Jun 7, 2012
Beagle

rule #1 for resoling - ALWAYS REFUSE TOE CAPS

If you need toe caps you need new shoes, and you need to work on your footwork.


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By Brandon Groza
From Bend, OR
Jun 7, 2012
Chomp. Summer climbing in RMNP.

Beagle wrote:
rule #1 for resoling - ALWAYS REFUSE TOE CAPS If you need toe caps you need new shoes, and you need to work on your footwork.


+1

Had RR do my Katanas, which didn't need toe caps and they were perfect.

Did my miuras with toe caps and they came out a 1/2 sz bigger and never climbed well again.


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By Zappatista
Jun 7, 2012
Book me, officer.

I'm guessing "toe caps" means rand work? I've had quality rand work done by half a dozen resolers from coast to coast, only one that sucked was from Crescent in VA, and that was their first year in business.

If you need rand repair, Friction Fix and Rubber Room both do great work.

I'm really hoping I can get a good resole on the TCs when I send them in to Rubber; I don't do rounded edges, same reason I've hated Galileos and other Onyxx shoes. Crisp edges is why I resole, without them, what's the point?

Good luck, and don't hate on the toe rands, suggesting that rand wear on a shoe that climbs on sharp rock means shit footwork reminds me of the "if the back of your hand touches the rock, it's NOT rock climbing" speech my old sporto buddy gave once. Silliness. Climb low-altitude desert limestone 100+pitches a week in a Speedo if your technique's all you need to avoid scuffing. And I can reccommend a goot plastic surgeon in Vegas to put you back together afterward.


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By bearbreeder
Jun 7, 2012

a resole often wont perform as well as a brand new pair in terms of edging ... some resolers dont use the vibram xs edge that sportivas use, but some other rubber version

i also find that the more you resole, the softer the shoe gets, eventually itll become like a slipper

the trick IMO is to buy sporty shoes, and after resoling, they become trad shoes

i also find that doing a rand repair takes away from the "aggressiveness" of the shoe ... and i agree about not using TC pros in the gym, no need for em there ...


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By Ezekiel Thornton
From Akron, Ohio
Jun 7, 2012
Top of Castleton

I have 3 pairs of shoes.

1. for gym climbing. Pair of katana Velcro I bought on MP for $20 and got them resoled they are great

2. Pair of Katana lace ups for sport/crack

3. and finally tc pros for crack. Was just testing the shoes out in the gym

The toe was going in the TC's. Both Katana's are holding up really well so I'm not sure what to think of that rule with the toe caps. Also no noticeable difference on the size of the shoe.

JLP - The customer is always right. The reason I posted on here was to confirm with other opinions. You seem like a bitch.

Thanks everyone else for the stories and back ground.


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By Zappatista
Jun 7, 2012
Book me, officer.

Ezekiel Thornton wrote:
You seem like a bitch.


Whether you agree with E.T. or not, can I get a hell yeah for no-bullshit calling out?

Respect. If you want mo' beta on resoling, PM me zeke. I've been around that block a few times.


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By Sir Wanksalot
From County Jail
Jun 7, 2012

I always felt you get better service if you personally deliver the shoes. If you mail 'em in and they mail 'em back, you may not like what you get back.


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By Zappatista
Jun 7, 2012
Book me, officer.

^^^^^evidence for the prosecution..

Does Geena know something we don't?

I'm guessing she's describing the size of a certain someone's chip on their shoulder...
I'm guessing she's describing the size of a certain someone's chip on their shoulder...


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By Adam Winters
Administrator
From the Shire
Jun 7, 2012
Red-tail Hawk, Buttermilks

whittlesticks wrote:
... As for the rounding on the soles. I dont think there is a problem there. Tc's have super thick rubber on them, and I think the rounding just makes them look cleaner once the job is done, and dont see how that could effect you edging on real rock.


Uhhhh what's that? Cleaner??? One can edge on a credit card glued to a wall with new edges, try that with rounded ones.


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By mattm
From TX
Jun 7, 2012
Grande Grotto

I actually disagree to some extent on wanting a really sharp edge on your shoe. With a thick sole and sharp edge there's no support for the rubber and it tends to deflect and bend and NOT stick. It just rolls off the edge. This is especially true with the softer C4. The XS Edge performs as claimed in my mind and is better at micro edging than the c4. For more pure friction, C4 rules the day.

The edge shouldn't be super rounded to start sure, but you'll want to break them in a bit. Once the edge rounds over, they're good to go. So, sharp edge doesn't work, or really rounded edge. You want it in the middle. That way the rubber can make good contact with the micro edge and isn't so think and unsupported that it just rolls off.


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By Adam Winters
Administrator
From the Shire
Jun 7, 2012
Red-tail Hawk, Buttermilks

i disagree, i climb my best (on thin faces) when they are spankin new and sharp out the box.

edit: I know the 'rollover' you speak of and have experienced it with a few pairs of shoes, but I think a properly constructed shoe should not do this.


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By mattm
From TX
Jun 7, 2012
Grande Grotto

Adam Winters wrote:
i disagree, i climb my best (on thin faces) when they are spankin new and sharp out the box. edit: I know the 'rollover' you speak of and have experienced it with a few pairs of shoes, but I think a properly constructed shoe should not do this.


It's all going to be very dependent on the route, route, rubber, temps etc etc. There are certainly times that I've wanted a nice sharp edge too. Just saying it's not ALL the time.


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By Ty Morrison-Heath
From Bozeman, MT
Jun 7, 2012
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csproul wrote:
The real question is why would you use a $180 pair of TC Pros in the gym? That does look a bit hack to me. My new TC pros have pretty sharp edges. Resoling is an art, sometimes it goes well and sometimes not. I'd rather have it done well from the start, but how a company handles the bad jobs also says a lot about them. Hope you get it fixed.


Note where the original poster is from....Thats why you'd use them in a gym because there is no climbing to be found anywhere around him.


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Jun 8, 2012
Colonel Mustard

Ryan Williams wrote:
Yea, not sure what they were going for but that doesn't look right to me. R&R is in Boulder right? I got four pair of shoes resoled by them last year and they did an excellent job w/ a quick turn around. I'd say give 'em a call and see what they have to say. Don't be hostile, just give your honest opinion.


My experience has been quality resoles from them as well. Those shoes don't look right though.


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