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Apr 10, 2012
Top of Castleton
Got them back. Used at the gym once and thought they weren't edging very well. To rounded? To big of a nose?


TC pros
TC pros



ESP this one
TC pros 2
TC pros 2


posting a picture of your tc pros that are factory would help me.
Zeke6
From Akron, Ohio
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Red-tail Hawk, Buttermilks
that's a hack job for sure, those edges should be sharp and crisp. Looks like they were training someone using your shoes, major bummer dude. Call 'em up, get your money back AWinters
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Yea, not sure what they were going for but that doesn't look right to me. R&R is in Boulder right? I got four pair of shoes resoled by them last year and they did an excellent job w/ a quick turn around. I'd say give 'em a call and see what they have to say. Don't be hostile, just give your honest opinion. Ryan Williams
From London (sort of)
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Apr 10, 2012
I just had 3 pairs of shoes resoled by R&R. The two pairs of Muiras were perfect but I wasn't very impressed with the TC Pro resole. Not nearly as bad as yours, but there was noticeable rounding on the instep side of the shoes. Post up a response if you contact them. neal clark
From Moab, UT
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Apr 10, 2012
Thunderbolt Peak in the Palisades
Looks like you have some great slab shoes with ankle protection... randy88fj62
Joined May 28, 2010
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Apr 10, 2012
My tc pros look perfect and my second resole on my muiras also look killer
They are a good company so I'd call up and c what they say.
martinharris
From Glenwood Springs CO
Joined Jul 20, 2010
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Apr 11, 2012
Top of Castleton
I emailed them and there is actually more to the story as far as having another pair coming back (Katana's) that are splitting at the seam on top on the nose. Those are were well done just the seam splitting. and the third pair are perfect. No response yet, I'll keep this updated as it goes. I do believe that R&R is a good company.

This was after the 6th time climbing with them.
Katana's
Katana's
Zeke6
From Akron, Ohio
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Below "Inspect Her Gadget" at HP40 after...
I had a similar problem with a hole forming in the rand under a week of use after a R&R resole. I called them and they offered nothing. Claim of user error (even if i do drag my toes the shoe should last more than 5 gym sessions). They only guarantee the glue between the sole and the rand.

Seems like pretty crappy service. I think they have become more popular recently and that has caused a certain percentage of their work to be lower quality.

I've used them for years and have recently started having more issues with their rand work.

- Luke
Luke Stefurak
From Seattle, WA
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Jun 7, 2012
Top of Castleton
Well after sending the email to the wrong address I called back again. They told me to send them back for rework. I didn't send the katana's cause I need to use them so I'll deal for now.

But I'm satisfied with the service.
Zeke6
From Akron, Ohio
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Cold day at Smug's
The real question is why would you use a $180 pair of TC Pros in the gym? That does look a bit hack to me. My new TC pros have pretty sharp edges. Resoling is an art, sometimes it goes well and sometimes not. I'd rather have it done well from the start, but how a company handles the bad jobs also says a lot about them. Hope you get it fixed. csproul
From Davis, CA
Joined Dec 3, 2009
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Jun 7, 2012
I've had very good luck with Rock & Resole: only one unsatisfactory job in 20+ soles. Most of those resoles have lasted longer and performed better than the original factory sole. I attribute my positive experience in part to the fact that I never get toe caps. Climbing shoe "break-in" means conforming the rand to the shape of your toes, primarily the big toe. A toe cap means starting the break-in process anew, with the attendant discomfort and decrease in performance.

For shoes with a thinner rand (generally high performance shoes), a "no toe cap" policy may mean you won't get more than one resole before the rands blow out. But for a shoe with a burly rand like the TC Pro, you should get a couple soles before failure. For me, the trade-off is worth it. By the time I'm through two soles, the rest of the shoe is pretty much destroyed anyway.

Food for thought.

superjosh
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I have had hundreds of shoes resoled over at r & r over the years. I feel that they always do a great job, but have noticed in the past year that they seem super busy!! I have personally spoken to the owner about resoling tc pros, which he explains are a pain in the ass. There is stiching under the toe cap that seems to make them more difficult. As for the rounding on the soles. I dont think there is a problem there. Tc's have super thick rubber on them, and I think the rounding just makes them look cleaner once the job is done, and dont see how that could effect you edging on real rock. I would continue to use rock and resole if I were you. They have never let me down. Plus I have never had to wait longer than a couple of days to get my shoes back if you ask. whittlesticks
From Glenwood Springs
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Jun 7, 2012
Beagle
rule #1 for resoling - ALWAYS REFUSE TOE CAPS

If you need toe caps you need new shoes, and you need to work on your footwork.
Bryan Gilmore
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Beagle wrote:
rule #1 for resoling - ALWAYS REFUSE TOE CAPS If you need toe caps you need new shoes, and you need to work on your footwork.


+1

Had RR do my Katanas, which didn't need toe caps and they were perfect.

Did my miuras with toe caps and they came out a 1/2 sz bigger and never climbed well again.
Brandon Groza
From Bend, OR
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Jun 7, 2012
a resole often wont perform as well as a brand new pair in terms of edging ... some resolers dont use the vibram xs edge that sportivas use, but some other rubber version

i also find that the more you resole, the softer the shoe gets, eventually itll become like a slipper

the trick IMO is to buy sporty shoes, and after resoling, they become trad shoes

i also find that doing a rand repair takes away from the "aggressiveness" of the shoe ... and i agree about not using TC pros in the gym, no need for em there ...
bearbreeder
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Jun 7, 2012
Top of Castleton
I have 3 pairs of shoes.

1. for gym climbing. Pair of katana Velcro I bought on MP for $20 and got them resoled they are great

2. Pair of Katana lace ups for sport/crack

3. and finally tc pros for crack. Was just testing the shoes out in the gym

The toe was going in the TC's. Both Katana's are holding up really well so I'm not sure what to think of that rule with the toe caps. Also no noticeable difference on the size of the shoe.

JLP - The customer is always right. The reason I posted on here was to confirm with other opinions. You seem like a bitch.

Thanks everyone else for the stories and back ground.
Zeke6
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Jun 7, 2012
I always felt you get better service if you personally deliver the shoes. If you mail 'em in and they mail 'em back, you may not like what you get back. Sir Wanksalot
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Red-tail Hawk, Buttermilks
whittlesticks wrote:
... As for the rounding on the soles. I dont think there is a problem there. Tc's have super thick rubber on them, and I think the rounding just makes them look cleaner once the job is done, and dont see how that could effect you edging on real rock.


Uhhhh what's that? Cleaner??? One can edge on a credit card glued to a wall with new edges, try that with rounded ones.
AWinters
From NH
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Jun 7, 2012
Grande Grotto
I actually disagree to some extent on wanting a really sharp edge on your shoe. With a thick sole and sharp edge there's no support for the rubber and it tends to deflect and bend and NOT stick. It just rolls off the edge. This is especially true with the softer C4. The XS Edge performs as claimed in my mind and is better at micro edging than the c4. For more pure friction, C4 rules the day.

The edge shouldn't be super rounded to start sure, but you'll want to break them in a bit. Once the edge rounds over, they're good to go. So, sharp edge doesn't work, or really rounded edge. You want it in the middle. That way the rubber can make good contact with the micro edge and isn't so think and unsupported that it just rolls off.
mattm
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Jun 7, 2012
Red-tail Hawk, Buttermilks
i disagree, i climb my best (on thin faces) when they are spankin new and sharp out the box.

edit: I know the 'rollover' you speak of and have experienced it with a few pairs of shoes, but I think a properly constructed shoe should not do this.
AWinters
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Adam Winters wrote:
i disagree, i climb my best (on thin faces) when they are spankin new and sharp out the box. edit: I know the 'rollover' you speak of and have experienced it with a few pairs of shoes, but I think a properly constructed shoe should not do this.


It's all going to be very dependent on the route, route, rubber, temps etc etc. There are certainly times that I've wanted a nice sharp edge too. Just saying it's not ALL the time.
mattm
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csproul wrote:
The real question is why would you use a $180 pair of TC Pros in the gym? That does look a bit hack to me. My new TC pros have pretty sharp edges. Resoling is an art, sometimes it goes well and sometimes not. I'd rather have it done well from the start, but how a company handles the bad jobs also says a lot about them. Hope you get it fixed.


Note where the original poster is from....Thats why you'd use them in a gym because there is no climbing to be found anywhere around him.
Ty Morrison-Heath
From Bozeman, MT
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Jun 8, 2012
Colonel Mustard
Ryan Williams wrote:
Yea, not sure what they were going for but that doesn't look right to me. R&R is in Boulder right? I got four pair of shoes resoled by them last year and they did an excellent job w/ a quick turn around. I'd say give 'em a call and see what they have to say. Don't be hostile, just give your honest opinion.


My experience has been quality resoles from them as well. Those shoes don't look right though.
Colonel Mustard
Joined Sep 13, 2005
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Jun 8, 2012
Top of Castleton
I didn't notice a difference with my Katana's edging abilities after the resole. I've put them on super thin horizontals to pebbles. I will agree that a new shoe is more likely to have better rubber formation and quality due to the difference in process. That's assuming la sportiva has a better process than RR.




Ty Morrison-Heath wrote:
Note where the original poster is from....Thats why you'd use them in a gym because there is no climbing to be found anywhere around him.


haha yeah F my life.

Some small cliffs and boulders. (whipps ledges)

NRG is 4H15m away..in the last 3 months I've spent 1 day at home during the weekend. Been lucky on weather!
Zeke6
From Akron, Ohio
Joined Feb 6, 2011
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Jun 8, 2012
enjoying the static, grappel and a smoke on Dana.....
My buddies TC's came back a little rounded once, but he climbed on them and they didn't hinder his climbing.




Just go barefoot. Czech style then there would be no need for a resole!
erik kapec
From prescott, az
Joined Mar 3, 2010
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Nov 9, 2012
Top of Castleton
Even though it has been awhile since this happened I never updated to say that the second resole of the TC pros are AMAZING! Feels like brand new and am now sending more work back to them. Zeke6
From Akron, Ohio
Joined Feb 6, 2011
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