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Sucking My Will to Live 

YDS: 5.12c French: 7b+ Ewbanks: 27 UIAA: IX- ZA: 27 British: E6 6b

   
Type:  Sport, 1 pitch
Consensus:  YDS: 5.12c French: 7b+ Ewbanks: 27 UIAA: IX- ZA: 27 British: E6 6b [details]
FA: Ken Trout, 1992.
Fixed Hardware: 6 Lead Bolts, 2 Anchor Bolts [details]
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Submitted By: Anonymous Coward on Jan 1, 2001

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Description 

This is a fingery, technical wall. Back to back thin cruxes lead to a final hard move at the chains. It is stellar.

Location 

It is two routes right of Killer Pillar.

Protection 

Six bolts.


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Kevin tearing it up on Sucking...on his second go....
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The final crux
The final crux
Sucking My Will to Live.
Sucking My Will to Live.
Going for the send!
Going for the send!
The final moves to the anchor.
The final moves to the anchor.
Sucking My Will to Live.
Sucking My Will to Live.
Sucking My Will to Live.
Sucking My Will to Live.
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By Anonymous Coward
Jun 13, 2001

The 3rd bolt needs to be fixed. It will eventually shred your rope if you hang to many times and twist you fingers in half.
By Nate Weitzel
Jun 20, 2001

The third bolt, while unfortunate to hang from, is well placed to be able to clip it on lead, and actually have it protect the first crux move. I would recommend not hanging from it too much (to save your rope) and being careful with your foot placement once you climb through this crux as you can easily step on the rope.
By richard magill
Oct 2, 2002

Tricky, powerful, and fun- a masterful route.
By willem
Jul 29, 2003

Use a long draw or sling that will let your rope hang to the left of the edge.
By Anonymous Coward
Sep 19, 2003

Great route! Do it and definitely try to get a long draw on the third to hang just below the lip.
By Anonymous Coward
Apr 1, 2004

I'm confused about this route. Has a new one been placed between "sucking my will" and public solitude, or to the the right of sucking? Or am I just reading the guide book wrong?
By Greg Hand
From: Golden, CO
Jul 12, 2004

I was cleaning up my office last week (to prepare for my retirement early next year), and I found this rather amusing beta I made when I redpointed this route in 1995. It was soon after this that my back went out and my ACL tore, so this was about my last hard route.The reason I wrote down the beta was I remember there was such a wild sequence of moves once my right hand was on a crimp. I counted about 11 moves before moving my right hand again. I never had the physical skills to just power through hard routes. I was usually able to do them with "Smoke & Mirrors" tricks.

The description starts from the 3rd bolt:

From hip scum rest, clip 3rd bolt with left hand.(Preset bolt with 1 foot draw).Right hand on bucket, left hand on pinch flake.Left foot on bucket around left. Right foot on slab where hip scum was. Shift right hand to undercling.Match left foot on hip scum slab, left hand up high to crimp/gaston. Hold it with left thumb. Right foot to heel hook.From this position, a right hand clip can be made if a double draw is in place. Match right hand fingers on left thumb crimp.

Now count the number of moves before the right hand moves again!

1. Reach left hand to good pocket.2. Keep left foot where it is, release right heel hook and position it above left foot.3. Move left foot around corner to hold.4. Move right foot to heel hook.5. Position left foot underneath heel hook onto crack.6. This allows left hand release up to side pull crimp feature.7. Right foot onto slab.8. Left foot high step into pocket.9. Lean on left foot and reposition left hand up again onto hard-to-see, but good, left hand crimp.10. Move right foot to either heel hook where right hand is, or on edge higher and closer to body.11. This allows right hand to go up high to good horizontal.

Whew!!!

Rest with either left foot in pocket or right foot in pocket.

Now for the upper crux.

From big left hand layback, reach far right and make clip.Re-position feet, stem right foot far right onto chalked edge way down right. Right hand is far right on good edge, leaving room for left hand to match. Left hand "drive by" to crimp at chest level.Now match hands. Switch feet with left backstep onto ticked edge.Right heel hook on ledge, finding place for big toe undercling.Pull with leg to reach right hand high. Match left, and surf right to flake. (Hopefully, you can clip long draw on anchor).Left foot backstep on ledge and reach left hand high to sloping edge.Mini-rose right hand to sloper left of left hand.reach up 8 inches to left hand good crimp.Right hand up over top to finishing hold.Clip anchors with left hand!
By Richard M. Wright
From: Lakewood, CO
Jul 13, 2004
rating: 5.12c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b

A few years ago, and in the space of less than an hour, I saw at least three very different solutions to both cruxes. So the beta would seem to be pretty flexible. The nicest ascent looked almost delicate.
By Richard M. Wright
From: Lakewood, CO
Jul 13, 2004
rating: 5.12c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b

Sorry, typo-ed the stars. Two stars at least.
By Anonymous Coward
Jul 30, 2004

Sorry Rich, this ones three stars all the way!
By chris deulen
From: Merriam, Kansas
Aug 7, 2004
rating: 5.12d 7c 28 IX 28 E6 6b

I give it 12d to be consistent with Clear Creek. This may be the only legitimate 12c in the canyon. Flying Cowboys is easier, Ten Digit is easier, Big Dog is way easier, The Great Escape is easier. I'd say it's even comparable to Sonic Youth (though the latter is a better climb). This wall is very akin to Rumney climbing, as are the ratings (save Flying Cowboys).
By micah stocker
Oct 7, 2004

I sent this route today, and what a great route. It might be one of the best CCC routs that I have ever done. I have to agree with Chris. This is probly the only legit 12c in the canyon. Thats for a tall person. For anyone under 5'8" this route would be much harder. I really hate to put a grade on thing, but for the sake of the short people, not myself 12c/d. Get on it it is good.
By richard magill
Oct 11, 2004

The only legit 12c?

Have you done Y2k? Presto?

There are several.
By Jesse Ryan
Aug 10, 2006
rating: 5.12c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b

I think this is on par to other 12c's in the canyon if you get the right sneaky beta. I did moves similar to what Greg Hand describes -- not 11 moves before I moved my right hand though -- nice work man! In particular, the left hand thumb gaston w/ right foot heel hook is key. Never thought I'd utter that sentence, but it's true. I'm 5'9" ish, and my friend Ken is 6', and it worked for him. Try the trick techy beta, and she shouldn't feel too bad.
By louis
From: Albuquerque
Aug 1, 2007
rating: 5.12d 7c 28 IX 28 E6 6b

It sucked my will, held my draws hostage, but went after a ruthless twenty or so tries. I think this is one of the most physical and beta intensive 12s in clear creek. For a short climber there are a ton of options for both the lower crux and the upper redpoint crux - at the first crux between bolts three and four, with the left hand at the lower left pinch, standing directly up and grabbing the ear with the right hand saves a couple of moves. For the final two throws at the top (tough at 5'6'') a heel mantle, to a quick rest, moving the right hand out right to a crimp, then throwing out up and left with the left hand to the summit chalk-sloper hold seems to reduce the distance of two brutal deadpoints/throws. I add these ideas only because Greg Hand's beta helped me think about the route and opened my eyes to figuring out new things as well. Cheers and good luck.
By Tom Hanson
Aug 9, 2007

One of my favorite routes in CCC.
By Action Fund
Jul 24, 2012

We rebolted and replaced the project draws with Climb Tech perma draws. We left the project draws with Adam in Golden, CO. If these were yours, please get in touch with us and we will be happy to give these back to the rightful owner.

Thanks,
ActionFund@yahoo.com
By Monty
From: Golden, CO
Jul 24, 2012
rating: 5.12c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b

Branching out of the southeast, I love it!
Thanks, guys!
By Richard M. Wright
From: Lakewood, CO
Jul 25, 2012
rating: 5.12c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b

Why does this route need perma draws? There is nothing on this route where clipping would constitute a crux.
By adampeters
From: Golden, Colorado
Jul 25, 2012
rating: 5.12c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b

I've never NOT seen draws on this route in the 6 years I've been climbing at Primo, so it seems logical to me that the superior Perma-draws would be well suited here. If draws are always going to be on that route, wouldn't it make sense that the nicest Permadraws would be the safest option? Thanks for rebolting and adding the draws, Action Fund!
By Curt MacNeill
From: Boulder, CO
Aug 22, 2012

This route is just plain fantastic! Bullet hard stone, great moves, and kind of a cool setting to just hang. The final moves on this route will bring a very big smile to your face for sure. Do this route! Thanks to the person who just equipped this with all new bomber permadraws. Looks great, all of them are the prefect length for clipping, and they should last awhile even though this route sees a ton of traffic. Kudos!
By Tzilla Rapdrilla
Apr 27, 2014

Hang on to those bolts too, and we'll get some tests run.
By Joseph Crotty
From: Broomfield, CO
Apr 27, 2014
rating: 5.12c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b

Lead bolts two, three, and four were upgraded from Rawl 3/8" plated three piece sleeve to SS glue-ins. See the fixed hardware section for details. All three of the original holes were re-used. Patched old holes next to lead bolts one, five and six. Tightened all mechanical bolt hangers. Sadly, the anchor bolt hangers were very loose and exhibit typical thread damage but are still safe.

Note, a friend mentioned they thought the new third bolt (i.e., a glue-in) was bent or some how damaged. This is decidedly not the case rather the design of the bolt. That bolt is greater then 1/2" in diameter and would literally hold a truck - bomb proof.
By drewhouser
Dec 13, 2014
rating: 5.12c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b

I'm only a couple years into climbing and surely haven't climbed at a vast array of crags, so my statement may not carry much weight with some...however...this may be the best climb I have ever climbed.
By Joseph Crotty
From: Broomfield, CO
Jan 17, 2015
rating: 5.12c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b

The start now begins slightly to the left of the first bolt. Right hand start is good bit harder, since the large flake fell off. We transformed it into a decent bench on the ground.
By Monty
From: Golden, CO
Jan 22, 2015
rating: 5.12c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b

RIP, giant death flake! Hope you guys weren't around when it went. I always started from the left because I was terrified of that thing. I wonder how this affects Grim Aura (not that I have any business on that route).
By adampeters
From: Golden, Colorado
Jan 23, 2015
rating: 5.12c 7b+ 27 IX- 27 E6 6b

Heard that the flake went down with some elbow grease. I too have always started to the left anyway, isn't that the OG, intended start? What do the holds look like where that sucker was?