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By Brendan N. (grayhghost)
From Salt Lake City, Utah
Feb 22, 2008
The Totem Pole gets jumped, it just costs about $10,000.
The RedBull Team did it last year.








For Ben:
vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fus...

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By Ben Folsom
Feb 22, 2008
Rosco, A fine animal.
Thanks for that video! I was able to scope my new route on the face from the helmet cam footage! It's good to see that people have been out there jumping, it seems like an great place to do it.

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By Sirius
From Oakland, CA
Feb 22, 2008
Moving through the crux lock - now that's micro be...
Towers and buttes:

Monument Valley from +/- 3,500 AGL. If you know th...
Monument Valley from +/- 3,500 AGL. If you know the name of any of these formations, please let me know via comments below!


Monument Valley from +/- 3,500 AGL. If you know th...
Monument Valley from +/- 3,500 AGL. If you know the name of any of these formations, please let me know via comments below!


Towers of Monument Valley from 3,500 ft up.
Towers of Monument Valley from 3,500 ft up.


Towers take on a different aspect from the air.
Towers take on a different aspect from the air.


Bird's eye view of one corner of Monument Valley.
Bird's eye view of one corner of Monument Valley.


Monument Valley from above, April 2006.
Monument Valley from above, April 2006.


Monument Valley, April 2006.
Monument Valley, April 2006.


Isolated potential in NM, as seen from 2,500 AGL.
Isolated potential in NM, as seen from 2,500 AGL.

Anyone familiar with the candlewick-thin tower toward the left side of the above photo?

Shiprock from the North.
Shiprock from the North.


 Most handsome ditch on the globe.

Most handsome ditch on the globe.


Had to throw the last one in there, not enough granite on this thread! (All of these are more interesting at full size.)

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By Wayne Crill
From an Altered State
Feb 22, 2008
pilon fracture
greyhghost,

Who are you if you don't mind my asking? not trying to be an ass but just interested in putting a name with a face. We should talk. I just returned from the dez last weekend where I did three different tower jumps including a highly probable first descent off Hindu in Onion Creek, that was spicy, but wonderful. I've made 30 or more desert tower jumps off ~ dozen different towers, maybe more, time I add them up. There are so many to do its truly unlimited. so far my favorite has to be ancent art or the titan, gotta love everything about the fishers and AA CSS is just fantastic, Titan is the only slider up tower I've done.

Did your know there are jumpable 'towers' right here in the front range? I did one just recently but there are plenty more to be done too. I like your "all I need is ~140 feet" quote, I generally agree though as you know there are many factors that go into that choice, nevertheless that's the attitude and style I like to see. If you can imagine it it can be done. gotta have the vision thing Anyhow, blah blah blay, yadda yadda yadda, please pm me we need to scheme and dream . . .

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By Stu Ritchie
From Denver
Feb 22, 2008
Desert Tortoise
The second pic from the top shows what I have come to know as the Monument Pass Tower group. They include; The King, Throne, Shangra La, Rabbit, Bear, Stagecoach Mesa, and the Indian Chief. I have personally summited all but the Bear and Stagecoach.

The next one down, with the strut in the pic shows the Three Sisters, Left Mitten Thumb, and I believe Mitchel Mesa.

Two more down, with the greenish butte (Eagle Rock) in the middle shows Eagle Rock spire and the Sitting Hen.

Hope this info. helps....

Stu

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By Hank Caylor
Administrator
From Golden, CO
Feb 23, 2008
Yoda
Greyghost, watch out for that Wayne cat! And a couple PMs sent.

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By Brad Brandewie
Feb 23, 2008
Maya's first trip to RMNP.
" I have personally summited all but the Bear and Stagecoach."

You're killing me Stu! :)



I only count sandstone towers on the Colorado Plateau.

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By Ben Kiessel
Feb 25, 2008
2003
I'm not the president of the board?

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By Ben Kiessel
Feb 25, 2008
2003
What do y'all think of Everyman's Endless Edge? 7 towers or only 1 tower for the trojan?

EEE in profile
EEE in profile

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By Wayne Crill
From an Altered State
Feb 25, 2008
pilon fracture
Ben, I'm not familiar with EEE, but it appears from the photo that it might be 0 towers: a ridgeline with 7 tower like summits? I dunno, and in many ways I don't care, if you think/feel/say its seven towers that sounds good to me! but as a case in point I guess I would consider river tower in the fishers 1 tower not 4, just as I consider Ancient art one tower not 4. No doubt there is some grey fuzzyness in there somewhere . . . . is forming tower also in the fisher's a tower? what about the oracle? by many definitions in this thread its a tower like extension of the ridge, certainly not a freestanding tower. When does life begin exactly? you see being alive is similarly vague and nondescript as is being a tower???

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By Ben Folsom
Feb 25, 2008
Rosco, A fine animal.
It's all grey fuzziness isn't it!

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By John J. Glime
From Salt Lake City, UT
Feb 25, 2008
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EEE- It's 7! Ben invite me to join the party... actually, I am inviting myself.

It is hard to tell the scale (that Titan sure is small) but I would say that the pancake, lightbulb, humingbird, and trojan are towerish formations.

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By Brad Brandewie
Feb 25, 2008
Maya's first trip to RMNP.
I'd give it up for the Trojan and perhaps for the Hummingbird Perch depending on how tall it is from its base on the ridgeline. (probably not though for HP)

Nothing else on EEE is a "tower". :)

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By Ben Kiessel
Feb 26, 2008
2003
Will, I like your logic but I think I would call it 1 tower. Wayne I agree there is some grey area and a lot of personal opinion. Case in point I would call the 4 summits of ancient art 4 towers.

Ben

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By Stu Ritchie
From Denver
Feb 26, 2008
Desert Tortoise
This formation in a way reminds me of the summit of Echo Tower in the Fishers. I don't think I would count a variety of hoodoos on a ridge as seperate towers. However, I think the case can be made in circumstances like Bridger Jack, that multiple "legitimate" tower summits are sometimes linked together as parts of the same formation. Another example might be the Crow's Heads. I have always looked upon the Sister Superior group, and it's countless little summits, with some suspicion. Having never been out to EEE, I would defer judgement to those who know better the exact elevation differences between "summits", and how distinct they are from each other.

Stu

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By Wayne Crill
From an Altered State
Feb 26, 2008
pilon fracture
Hmmm . . . . ,

Well yes Ben I might even agree agree with you on Ancient art now that I'm called to task on it, truth be told I'd probably have a stronger opinion if I had climbed more than the corkscrew summit. I hadn't actually opened up that EEE photo previosly and when enlarged I also stand corrected. I believe, agreeing with BB, I see two towers, the trojan definately looks like a tower to me by my standards (which are purely undefined subjective "gestalt") and on the far left there appears to be a little feature oxymoronically named -the titan- sticking up. I believe that is a tower too!

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By Ben Kiessel
Feb 27, 2008
2003
Wayne, I would have to say that the Oracle is a tower also, that summit spire/spike thing is not small.

Hey TP, how long do you think the EEE will take now that it is established? would you really call it a grade 6?

Ben

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By Wayne Crill
From an Altered State
Feb 27, 2008
pilon fracture
Ben, no doubt, oracle is huge and since its historically been described as a tower that certainly carries some weight. OF course it all just depends on what the optimality criterion are for your defining hypothesis. Yes, the spikey part is quite large, is it larger/taller than the base part of the ridge from which it projects? does that mattter? I guess i just like to play around with ideas and definitions . . . btw, I do consider The Oracle a "tower" . . . I guess maybe I tend to think we all know a tower when we see/climb/jump one so it really is kind of just semantics (which I enjoy). But then there are those rare cases where we don't all agree, so . . . . Like I implied before, for most of us most of the time all that matters is what matters to us individually and for most of us most of the time there is a broad overlapping consensus there reagrdless.

Maybe I should start using the definition someone else did of considering all buttes and butresses towers?

Ben, is forming tower a tower? it climbs and jumps like a tower, but I tend to think it is a tpower in name only . . . what about the finger of fate? the minotaur?

paz y amor . . . .

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By James Garrett
Mar 1, 2008
Hollow Point in the middle of the photo. Route cli...
The definition of a tower according to Eric B or George H is any formation that is taller than it is wide. Doesn't seem too compicated beyond that...unless one really seeks pedantics.
I guess El Cap is now a Grade II now that it can be climbed in a couple of hours if that is how you define the Grading system. I sure miss those Grade IIIs, IVs, Vs, and VIs. Just think, most of you guys will never get to do one.

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By JoergB
From Germany
Mar 12, 2009
John J. Glime wrote:
Who cares about towers anywhere else!?

Maybe I live in an area where it might be much more and issue if something is a tower or not. I consider myself also a tower counter / tower collector. In Elbsandstein, climbing is only allowed at towers/summits, everything else is off limits, national park reserve. So if guys are discussing here if something is a tower, they discuss also if climbing or not.
Of course, there is an official list of what are the "official" towers/summits. And a definition:
-A summit is a rock which top can only be reached by climbing or jumping. At second, it must be at least 10m (30') high on the lowest side. Later an exception was added that also objects with only 6m (20') may count if the easiest ascent is at least a saxonian IV (grade 5.5).

The mentioned heights may be quite low applied to the Colorado plateau, however the rocks in Elbsandstein are generally smaller.
Up to now, there are around 1100 official summits, and around 200 guys which have succeeded in collecting them all.

Just another side remark, there are people out there which discuss definitions of alpine summit and make a full science out of this, see thehighrisepages.de/bergtouren... thats worse than me.

Now my questions:
Is there a someway agreed upon list of all the real towers/summits in the area around Moab?
To what extend do they have summit registers?
Are there also high score list like which are the highest towers?
Which are the most difficult to get to the summit?

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By John Maguire
From Boulder, CO
Mar 12, 2009
Bastille Crack Final Pitch
Montezumas?

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By Andrew Gram
Administrator
From Salt Lake City, UT
Mar 12, 2009
Andrew Gram
Montezumas isn't on the Colorado Plateau, so it doesn't count. If it was on the Plateau I would consider it a tower.

There is no comprehensive list to Moab area towers - there are thousands of them, more are found every year, and information can be hard to come by for obscure towers. Some have registers, some don't. I've climbed towers out in the San Rafael Swell that have had registers with no names but the first ascentionist, and those entries were from 30 years ago.

The hardest to summit are probably some of the choss heaps crusher has been doing that require really specialized techniques. Check out the Sugar Daddy trip report on supertopo by "crunch". The mystery towers have to be in the running too.

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By JoergB
From Germany
Mar 15, 2009
So I understand, as aid bolting is an option, the difficulty of a summit is just reciprocal to its rock quality?
What may be the most difficult one if the mandatory free climbing part is the measure?
An are the formations at Bryce Canyon (is it allowed to call them rocks?) considered towers or not?

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By Andrew Gram
Administrator
From Salt Lake City, UT
Mar 16, 2009
Andrew Gram
Bryce canyon towers are dirt hoodoos. I've never heard of anyone even attempting to climb there, and i'm not at all sure that it would be legal even if you wanted to.

Drilling bolt ladders is a last resort in blank rock. Not too many towers go completely without bolts, but some do and the pendulum has swung away from giant bolt ladder routes like the Colorado Ridge on the Kingfisher. In general, if there isn't a protectable feature the free climbing possibilities are really limited, so there is rarely any mandatory free harder than 5.11, and mandatory free harder than 5.9 is unusual. Fantasia on the Oracle and Brer Rabbit on Cottontail are both notorious for having runout 5.10 or 5.11 mantle moves on less than perfect rock. The hardest tower free routes almost all started as aid climbs.

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By slim
Administrator
Sep 20, 2009
tomato, tomotto, kill mike amato.
i'm pretty sure this thing has been climbed, although not by me. every time i drive by it, i get the urge, but i am usually in a hurry to get somewhere.

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