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By will jones
From N.B.
Sep 22, 2013
Angel's Crest
What are some of your opinions on soloing? Any answer is welcome :). Just wondering what people think of it.

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By Tyler Tylerson
From The Swamp
Sep 22, 2013
It's fuckin stupid

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By Steven Lucarelli
From Moab, UT
Sep 22, 2013
Showing off Johns almighty poop tube on the top of...
Broken Record

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By vincent L.
From Redwood City
Sep 22, 2013
First day of school
you're not a climber if you don't solo.

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By NorCalNomad
From San Francisco
Sep 22, 2013
Yer gunna die

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By BWIce
From Carlisle, PA
Sep 22, 2013
North face of long's.
And I think that sums it up. New topic.

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By Zirkel
From Bishop, CA
Sep 22, 2013
Owens Gorge.  Mt Tom in background.
I believe Warren Harding said something to the effect of... Not much of a gain, and a whole lot to lose.

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By jack s.
From Kamloops, BC
Sep 22, 2013
Mean Green P2
It is easy to say soloing is stupid, but the question comes in the grey area where the terrain just starts to get techincal.

Nobody would rope up to walk down the sidewalk, but all of us would rope up for a 5.15. I'll solo some 5.8 terrain if it is secure and inconvenient to rope up, but I am very comfortable on the terrain that I solo. There are also 5.3s that I would rope up for.

The ability to climb without falling is an important part of the total safety system, particularly in the alpine.

It is a bad idea to push or approach your grade while soloing though...

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By kenr
Sep 22, 2013
I see a critical question of definition:

Suppose I'm climbing a route exposed to death-fall with no rope, and the difficulty is so far below my following/Top-Rope capability that there is essentially zero probability of me blowing a move. And the rock is sound and recently tested, so there is essentially zero probability of hold breaking.

Am I then Not really soloing at all?

Or is that the smartest kind of Soloing?

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By T Howes
From Sisters, OR
Sep 22, 2013
I love to solo climb. Everybody assumes the OP is referring to free soloing, but rope soloing can be a fun and safe thing to do.

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By teece303
From Highlands Ranch, CO
Sep 22, 2013
Aiding. Photo by Locker.
I gave my partner a belay on class 2 terrain today. (Yes that's a real grade: look it up). You can never be too safe.

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By Chris Rice
Sep 22, 2013
John Bacher quote on soloing in an old video I have. "The dumb one's die".

Be smart out there!

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By Tom-onator
From This Galaxy
Sep 22, 2013
Tom-onator
I once went solo to a restaurant for dinner and was actually seated at a table for one.

Most embarrassing moment of my life.

I love going ropeless on easy ice, especially in the evening with a headlamp.

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By Simon Thompson
From New Paltz, NY
Sep 23, 2013
The potential for a fatal fall does not always necessitate a rope. I know plenty of hiking or scrambling routes that you would not want to fall off of, but that doesn't mean I'm busting out the rope. As long as you know where to draw the line for YOURSELF that's all you need to know about (free) soloing.

One man's 5.5 is another man's 3rd class... etc.

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By Eric Engberg
Sep 23, 2013
Chris Rice wrote:
John Bacher quote on soloing in an old video I have. "The dumb one's die". Be smart out there!



How did that turn out for him?

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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Sep 23, 2013
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"I once went solo to a restaurant for dinner and was actually seated at a table for one.

Most embarrassing moment of my life."



That's your MOST embarrassing?

I fuking WISH I could get off that easy.



EDITED:

John Bacher quote on soloing in an old video I have. "The dumb one's die"."


He was correct that the "Dumb ones die". But what he neglected to say is that EVERYONE DIES regardless of intelligence, so you might as well live your life the way you want.

;-)

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By Shawn Mitchell
From Broomfield
Sep 23, 2013
Splitter Jams on the Israel/Palestine Security Wal...
I don't solo.

Except for Flatirons.

And I have a few sketchy thoughts every time up the First.

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By Greg D
From Here
Sep 23, 2013
Out of the blue.  Photo by Mike W.
kenr wrote:
I see a critical question of definition: is essentially zero probability of me blowing a move. And the rock is sound and recently tested, so there is essentially zero probability of hold breaking. Am I then Not really soloing at all? Or is that the smartest kind of Soloing?


See below. Sorry, couldn't resist. Zero probability got me.

Chris Rice wrote:
John Bacher quote on soloing in an old video I have. "The dumb one's die". Be smart out there!


Flag me if this is too harsh for the sensitive guys.

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By vincent L.
From Redwood City
Sep 23, 2013
First day of school
I always thought it was such unfortunate irony Bachar said that , he died soloing on the Dike Wall , he was far from dumb , and an legendary soloist .

If anything it just shows that all bets are off when soloing , loose rock , bad weather , muscle spasm in your arm ... dumb or not , we all will obey gravity if things go wrong .

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By rex parker
From las vegas n.v
Sep 24, 2013
on the way up
or rock fall from above.... which is more likely the case with bachar. Ive had microwave size boulders come down from above the dike wall at light speed. and on the topic of soloing....john also said "soloing is the best f&$king sport on earth". amen to that. and if your concerned about the opinions of others on soloing. thats kind of a red flag already. put your head phones on, tie your shoes tight, chalk up and rock on.

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By Ben Beckerich
From saint helens, oregon
Sep 24, 2013
About half way up the East Arete on Illumination R...
I fell, once.

The gods struck the rock on to which I held, and I began a descent into the bitter chasm. It was one thousand and five hundred to the glacier below, but I landed on a narrow ledge and stopped. Broken and punctured and lacerated, but I stopped.

My descent was long and fraught with hazard, while trailing my life blood and my innocence on the snow and rock. I began to wonder if I'd even truly survived. Had I? Depletion and pain, heat and hopelessness, limping and lurching... I wondered if I'd even stopped on that ledge, or if I'd actually continued down... breaking into pieces of marrow and meat for the ravens. As the sun baked through my torn, blood-soaked shirt... through my skin, through my soul... I wondered if I was not a ghastly apparition, damned to wander the blasted alpine earth for eons. Ever bleeding, ever thirsting, ever hurting, ever alone, ever longing.

When I at last happened upon a man, and he acknowledged me, saying Man! What penance is this you have endured? I wept. It meant I lived yet. But I did not weep in relief, nor joy, nor sorrow- nay, I wept in triumph. Victory over the gods, which had tried over and over to destroy my life... Shaking my fist toward Olympus, I cried out in rage and defiance. I cursed them.

I live.

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By JacksonLandFill
From Maryland
Sep 24, 2013
not everyone smiles
Work it all out on the ground, get your technique down before you go up.

I solo (TR and trad) because very few people around here are available to climb and most just want to rappel.

Learn self rescue... YOU WILL HAVE TO USE IT.

Ditto on the first 6 replies.

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By M Stillman
Sep 24, 2013
Thank you Ben, that made my day!

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By Mic Fairchild
From Boulder
Sep 24, 2013
personal photo
Don't slap rude and sail if you're shaky at the grade.

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By Gunkiemike
Sep 24, 2013
Locker wrote:
John Bacher quote on soloing in an old video I have. "The dumb one's die"."


The dumb ones misuse apostrophes.

RIP John.

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By Bill Kirby
From Baltimore Maryland
Sep 24, 2013
Me eating a cliff bar walking back from Frankenste...
It's the end of the day and I decide to do one more lap. My wife says no way but I'll belay you. At this point I plan to climb up then rap back down cleaning everything on the way back down. After I get about half way up I have thoughts of wallking off the top and not placing any gear. I end up getting to the top without placing any pro. I untie my doubles and let them fall to the bottom. When I get back to my wife she has a look of amazement and says "awesome" then giggles. I'm not much of a climber so when I get back to a phone I tell all my buddies. Some say the word solo but I'm not so sure. Is it soloing if you're carrying screws, draws and a rope? Either way It was super fun and felt good to able to control my fear.

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