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Sep 22, 2013
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What are some of your opinions on soloing? Any answer is welcome :). Just wondering what people think of it. will jones
From N.B.
Joined Feb 4, 2013
55 points
Sep 22, 2013
It's fuckin stupid Tyler Tylerson
From The Swamp
Joined Jul 29, 2013
22 points
Sep 22, 2013
Showing off Johns almighty poop tube on the top of...
Broken Record Steven Lucarelli
From Moab, UT
Joined Jul 8, 2005
4,387 points
Sep 22, 2013
you're not a climber if you don't solo. vincent L.
From Redwood City
Joined Jan 1, 2005
617 points
Sep 22, 2013
Yer gunna die NorCalNomad
From San Francisco
Joined Oct 6, 2011
116 points
Sep 22, 2013
North face of long's.
And I think that sums it up. New topic. BWIce
From Carlisle, PA
Joined Oct 20, 2010
30 points
Sep 22, 2013
Owens Gorge.  Mt Tom in background.
I believe Warren Harding said something to the effect of... Not much of a gain, and a whole lot to lose. Zirkel
From Bishop, CA
Joined Mar 18, 2007
125 points
Sep 22, 2013
Mean Green P2
It is easy to say soloing is stupid, but the question comes in the grey area where the terrain just starts to get techincal.

Nobody would rope up to walk down the sidewalk, but all of us would rope up for a 5.15. I'll solo some 5.8 terrain if it is secure and inconvenient to rope up, but I am very comfortable on the terrain that I solo. There are also 5.3s that I would rope up for.

The ability to climb without falling is an important part of the total safety system, particularly in the alpine.

It is a bad idea to push or approach your grade while soloing though...
jack s.
From Kamloops, BC
Joined Jan 11, 2011
12 points
Sep 22, 2013
I see a critical question of definition:

Suppose I'm climbing a route exposed to death-fall with no rope, and the difficulty is so far below my following/Top-Rope capability that there is essentially zero probability of me blowing a move. And the rock is sound and recently tested, so there is essentially zero probability of hold breaking.

Am I then Not really soloing at all?

Or is that the smartest kind of Soloing?
kenr
Joined Oct 29, 2010
1,452 points
Sep 22, 2013
I love to solo climb. Everybody assumes the OP is referring to free soloing, but rope soloing can be a fun and safe thing to do. T Howes
From Sisters, OR
Joined Dec 13, 2010
12 points
Sep 22, 2013
Aiding. Photo by Locker.
I gave my partner a belay on class 2 terrain today. (Yes that's a real grade: look it up). You can never be too safe. teece303
From Highlands Ranch, CO
Joined Dec 16, 2012
636 points
Sep 22, 2013
John Bacher quote on soloing in an old video I have. "The dumb one's die".

Be smart out there!
Chris Rice
Joined Jan 11, 2013
15 points
Sep 22, 2013
Leashless bliss. 3 points of contact
I once went solo to a restaurant for dinner and was actually seated at a table for one.

Most embarrassing moment of my life.

I love going ropeless on easy ice, especially in the evening with a headlamp.
Tom-onator
From trollfreesociety
Joined Feb 15, 2010
800 points
Sep 23, 2013
The potential for a fatal fall does not always necessitate a rope. I know plenty of hiking or scrambling routes that you would not want to fall off of, but that doesn't mean I'm busting out the rope. As long as you know where to draw the line for YOURSELF that's all you need to know about (free) soloing.

One man's 5.5 is another man's 3rd class... etc.
Simon Thompson
From New Paltz, NY
Joined Apr 7, 2011
886 points
Sep 23, 2013
Chris Rice wrote:
John Bacher quote on soloing in an old video I have. "The dumb one's die". Be smart out there!



How did that turn out for him?
Eric Engberg
Joined Apr 28, 2009
2 points
Sep 23, 2013
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"I once went solo to a restaurant for dinner and was actually seated at a table for one.

Most embarrassing moment of my life."



That's your MOST embarrassing?

I fuking WISH I could get off that easy.



EDITED:

John Bacher quote on soloing in an old video I have. "The dumb one's die"."


He was correct that the "Dumb ones die". But what he neglected to say is that EVERYONE DIES regardless of intelligence, so you might as well live your life the way you want.

;-)
Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Joined Oct 13, 2002
2,394 points
Sep 23, 2013
Splitter Jams on the Israel/Palestine Security Wal...
I don't solo.

Except for Flatirons.

And I have a few sketchy thoughts every time up the First.
Shawn Mitchell
From Broomfield
Joined Mar 4, 2008
313 points
Sep 23, 2013
Out of the blue.  Photo by Mike W.
kenr wrote:
I see a critical question of definition: is essentially zero probability of me blowing a move. And the rock is sound and recently tested, so there is essentially zero probability of hold breaking. Am I then Not really soloing at all? Or is that the smartest kind of Soloing?


See below. Sorry, couldn't resist. Zero probability got me.

Chris Rice wrote:
John Bacher quote on soloing in an old video I have. "The dumb one's die". Be smart out there!


Flag me if this is too harsh for the sensitive guys.
Greg D
From Here
Joined Apr 5, 2006
960 points
Sep 23, 2013
I always thought it was such unfortunate irony Bachar said that , he died soloing on the Dike Wall , he was far from dumb , and an legendary soloist .

If anything it just shows that all bets are off when soloing , loose rock , bad weather , muscle spasm in your arm ... dumb or not , we all will obey gravity if things go wrong .
vincent L.
From Redwood City
Joined Jan 1, 2005
617 points
Sep 24, 2013
Hidden valley jtree chillin
or rock fall from above.... which is more likely the case with bachar. Ive had microwave size boulders come down from above the dike wall at light speed. and on the topic of soloing....john also said "soloing is the best f&$king sport on earth". amen to that. and if your concerned about the opinions of others on soloing. thats kind of a red flag already. put your head phones on, tie your shoes tight, chalk up and rock on. rex parker
From las vegas n.v
Joined Aug 6, 2006
247 points
Sep 24, 2013
About half way up the East Arete on Illumination R...
I fell, once.

The gods struck the rock on to which I held, and I began a descent into the bitter chasm. It was one thousand and five hundred to the glacier below, but I landed on a narrow ledge and stopped. Broken and punctured and lacerated, but I stopped.

My descent was long and fraught with hazard, while trailing my life blood and my innocence on the snow and rock. I began to wonder if I'd even truly survived. Had I? Depletion and pain, heat and hopelessness, limping and lurching... I wondered if I'd even stopped on that ledge, or if I'd actually continued down... breaking into pieces of marrow and meat for the ravens. As the sun baked through my torn, blood-soaked shirt... through my skin, through my soul... I wondered if I was not a ghastly apparition, damned to wander the blasted alpine earth for eons. Ever bleeding, ever thirsting, ever hurting, ever alone, ever longing.

When I at last happened upon a man, and he acknowledged me, saying Man! What penance is this you have endured? I wept. It meant I lived yet. But I did not weep in relief, nor joy, nor sorrow- nay, I wept in triumph. Victory over the gods, which had tried over and over to destroy my life... Shaking my fist toward Olympus, I cried out in rage and defiance. I cursed them.

I live.
Ben Beckerich
From saint helens, oregon
Joined Jun 24, 2011
266 points
Sep 24, 2013
Atonement
Work it all out on the ground, get your technique down before you go up.

I solo (TR and trad) because very few people around here are available to climb and most just want to rappel.

Learn self rescue... YOU WILL HAVE TO USE IT.

Ditto on the first 6 replies.
JacksonLandFill
From Maryland
Joined May 7, 2013
45 points
Sep 24, 2013
Thank you Ben, that made my day! M Stillman
Joined Mar 7, 2013
0 points
Sep 24, 2013
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Don't slap rude and sail if you're shaky at the grade. Mic Fairchild
From Boulder
Joined Jan 14, 2003
401 points
Sep 24, 2013
Locker wrote:
John Bacher quote on soloing in an old video I have. "The dumb one's die"."


The dumb ones misuse apostrophes.

RIP John.
Gunkiemike
Joined Jul 29, 2009
1,716 points
Sep 24, 2013
Me eating a cliff bar walking back from Frankenste...
It's the end of the day and I decide to do one more lap. My wife says no way but I'll belay you. At this point I plan to climb up then rap back down cleaning everything on the way back down. After I get about half way up I have thoughts of wallking off the top and not placing any gear. I end up getting to the top without placing any pro. I untie my doubles and let them fall to the bottom. When I get back to my wife she has a look of amazement and says "awesome" then giggles. I'm not much of a climber so when I get back to a phone I tell all my buddies. Some say the word solo but I'm not so sure. Is it soloing if you're carrying screws, draws and a rope? Either way It was super fun and felt good to able to control my fear. Bill Kirby
From Baltimore Maryland
Joined Jul 21, 2012
127 points


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