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By T-Bob
Feb 7, 2013

Back country skiing has expanded within the ski market exponentially over the previous 5 years. Colorado is THE home base for the tech, information, and motivation which has lead the market nationally and affected global market and development focus.
Ski mountaineering continues to influence significant numbers of ice, alpine, and even spring time trad climbers within Colorado and ranges beyond.
No other sight specific to or non specific to Colorado, offers partner finder and user based, up to date, regional conditions trackers for BC or Ski Mountaineering objectives. The best out there right now areTGR (lots of CRAP to sift through) and ...Nope, nothing. 14ers and Colorado BC both fail horribly on this front.

Outside of CO, SkiMO is a legitimate and proven method to rapidly access climbing objectives as well as secure decent oriented objectives themselves.

Recommendation: Add a SkiMo section to each/all relevant areas. Especially, or singularly by season.

No shit: At this point, you are running a business, currently, you are cutting out a significant customer base every season (Oct-June for CO!).
The preponderance of the constituency are seasonal customers. This expansion would provide relevance in a familiar context and forum for these folks to continue their skimo/bc adventures utilizing the same formats, forums, and methodology they use throughout the sport and trad seasons.

v/r
T-Bob


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By matt davies
Feb 7, 2013

www.wildsnow.com/


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Feb 7, 2013
Bocan

splitboard.com for us splitters out there. And there's summitpost.org.

I wouldn't be opposed to a ski mountaineering forum.


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By Andrew Gram
Administrator
From Salt Lake City, UT
Feb 7, 2013
Andrew Gram

telemarktips and their forum telemarktalk are really good, even for AT skiers.

Not so sure about Colorado being the "home base" for ski mountaineering though. Salt Lake and the Wasatch comes to mind.


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By Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Feb 7, 2013
Bocan

Andrew Gram wrote:
Not so sure about Colorado being the "home base" for ski mountaineering though. Salt Lake and the Wasatch comes to mind.


Yeah I'd probably agree with you with some exceptions. I think CO mountaineering is sort of covert. You have no idea that people are out crushing it, unless you are in the loop. At least that's been my experience.


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By Boissal
From Small Lake, UT
Feb 7, 2013

T-Bob wrote:
Colorado is THE home base for the tech, information, and motivation which has lead the market nationally and affected global market and development focus.

I think you mean Europe. The US market is led by people looking across the pond. And I wouldn't say they're particularly concentrated in CO. Cascades and Tetons come to mind.

TGR is not really for the SkiMo crowd although some real crushers post the occasional awesome TR there. The TGR crap has the good taste of not being subjected to rule #1. At least it's entertaining, not full of butthurt.


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By Joe C.
From Colorado Springs, CO
Feb 7, 2013
Playin Hookey playin hard to get once again.

Well, no there isn't any one site that covers everything. I too have been on the lookout for such a site that would/could draw everything together into one place to access, routes, current conditions, Avy danger, weather forcast, partner/ride finder. I still haven't found one that has everything. One of the guys at Bent Gate Mountaineering in Golden told me about backcountrycoalition.com/ . This site could be a great site if people new about it. There is little info on there as of now (think its only been around a couple years). If there isn't something that your looking for you kind of have to make it yourself. Or just find the site that works best for you and start posting what you are looking for and what you found. Lead by example and the hords will follow. Always looking for someone to go ride with out there too. Let me know if you ever need a partner for something T-Bob im in Colorado springs...


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By Tim Zander
Feb 7, 2013

I agree, I'm on TGR but it's not ideal. Neither would it be here I think, since I haven't seen all that much activity re: skiing/skimo.

But I think it's worth a shot. I'd participate


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By Nick Stayner
From The Magic City
Feb 7, 2013
Nick Stayner near the crux. Ryan Minton photo.

Andrew Gram wrote:
Not so sure about Colorado being the "home base" for ski mountaineering though. Salt Lake and the Wasatch comes to mind.


The Wasatch is rad, probably a not-so-close second to Jackson. I would move there in a heartbeat if I get into the University of Utah nursing program though!


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By BGardner
From Colorado
Feb 7, 2013

Would love to see Mountain Project include more of the mountain pursuits.
Ski mountaineering would be a welcome addition.


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By Step hen
From Fort Collins, CO
Feb 7, 2013
Boulder Canyon <br /> <br />photo by Curt

BGardner wrote:
Ski mountaineering would be a welcome addition.


Not IMHO. My pow stash is just that, and I want to keep it that way.


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By Kevin Connolly
From CO
Feb 8, 2013

You are right, backcountry skiing is a profitable business now. Anyone care to allow me to rape and pillage their home to make a buck? Just hand me the info and i will make it happen so long as i don't have to do anything for myself. I would gladly attempt to ruin the mountains where i live by writing a guidebook but some nice wealthy man from kansas showed up and beat me too it. Anyone know a good spot that hasn't been ruined by aggressive, egotistical easterners? post it up here, let the world know, and if you are lucky some trustfunder may eventually make a buck off of it. sure beats keeping your mouth shut and enjoying it for what it is.


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By Nick Stayner
From The Magic City
Feb 8, 2013
Nick Stayner near the crux. Ryan Minton photo.

Step hen wrote:
Not IMHO. My pow stash is just that, and I want to keep it that way.


Huh. This response reminds me of one of my sporadic skintrack ponderings, "What exactly IS ski mountaineering?". I definitely don't think of ski mountaineering terrain as my "pow stash", nor would most of the people I know. I reserve "ski mountaineering" for truly technical ascents, i.e. ones involving a rope & pro or at least two tools. Perfect example being the Ford-Stettner on the Grand Teton. Everything else is just backcountry skiing to me, but it seems like not everyone agrees with my "definition". There are plenty of people out there (maybe like Step hen above) who use "ski mountaineering" and "backcountry skiing" interchangeably. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

Not that any of this is important! Sorry for the thread drift. For my on-topic response, I would hate to see a "ski mountaineering" here on Mountain Project.


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By MikeS
From Boulder, CO
Feb 8, 2013

Ski info is great here on MP as it relates to specific routes. Skiing is just another application of mountaineering, so when it's relevant, include info under the conditions or route page. We don't need a specific forum, I don't think.
Ski mountaineering often requires more info related to climbing routes, then it's up to you to figure out how to get down.
I find it interesting that folks here in CO get so worked up about their 'stash' being discovered by a guide book author or otherwise. When compared to a mountain range/population base like the Wasatch, we have a pretty huge resource here. You just need to be willing to go over the next ridge and explore a bit. Guidebooks are great in that they bring 90% of the users to 20% of the resource. It's just the cool thing to have an attitude I guess.


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