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By Josh Allred
From Salt Lake City, UT
Nov 18, 2012
P3 on Nutcracker.

I am trying to figure out how to size Sportiva Spatnik. I cant find anywhere to try them on, and quite frankly I dont want to spend 650 bucks just to ship back. I have been told that they fit similar to the Nepal Evo. The Trangos Evo GTX I wear in 45.5. Any similarities with those?

Generally I size my boots a half size up for big thick wool socks and swelling of the feet.

Thanks.


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By Tony T.
From Denver, CO
Nov 18, 2012
Getting up the Great Dihedral on Hallet Peak, RMNP.

I have Trango Evos and Nepal Evos and they're both the same size and fit the same. It *might* be a safe bet that the Spantiks will follow in that. They might not though.

That said, I'd be careful on sizing up. If you size up too much then you just end up cranking your laces down too much to compensate for the sloppy fit inside the boot. Make sure your toes don't bang, but I wouldn't worry too much about super thick socks for warmth. The Spantiks are plenty warm on their own. Just my .02


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By AK123
From Salt Lake City, UT
Nov 18, 2012
North Buttress Mt. Hunter, AK

How about buying from a site that accepts returns? I'm about the same size in Trango Extreme's & Spantiks


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By Josh Wood
From Oneonta, NY
Nov 18, 2012
hotlum / bolum route on Shasta

I have the trango evos and the spantiks in the same size. If you can wear thick socks comfortably in the trangos, the same size of spantiks will work just fine.


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By Josh Allred
From Salt Lake City, UT
Nov 18, 2012
P3 on Nutcracker.

I could get from backcountry or something like that but I rather get it right the first time. Do they heat mold the foot or anything like that?


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By AK123
From Salt Lake City, UT
Nov 20, 2012
North Buttress Mt. Hunter, AK

Josh Allred wrote:
I could get from backcountry or something like that but I rather get it right the first time. Do they heat mold the foot or anything like that?


If you mean is the spantik heat moldable, yes, it is. Super easy & quick


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By m6steen
From Denver, CO
Nov 21, 2012
fatty

I own both the Nepal and the Spantik and wear the exact same size. My Spantiks also came with two pairs of insoles, one flat reflective material and one standard contoured, which could be used to adjust internal volume.


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By Stephen Nance
From Boulder, CO
Nov 21, 2012

Hello there,

Bootfitter here. I fit people in these things all the time. We also do all the molding, fitting, etc. on them too.

i have found a 1/2 size above what you measure with the type of sock on that you would usually wear does the trick for cold, low altitude mountaineering. (anywhere in the lower 48). Size up a whole size for 8000 M peaks, and do yourself a favor and put an intuition in it for high altitude mountaineering.

On another note, we have found that molding these liners is not the best for a snug fit in the heel. Rather we press out the toe, which by doing so keeps the heel tight, and the toes roomy.

Good luck!


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By 8kclimber
Dec 8, 2013

Just as an update for folks looking for sizing help. I use 44.5 in all of LS running shoes and 10.5 (44.5) in Asics runners. In Asics the 11 (45) are too big. I use a 44 Nepal Evo.

Using a SW liner, SW mountaineering sock and orthothodic, I stared with a 43 Spantik and went to a 43.4, 44 and ended up going all the way up to a Spantik 45 and having them cooked and fitted by a boot fitter in Redmond's bike and ski shop (forget the name Dane knows them). I used them on 3 routes on Rainier in a weeks time. They started off great but by the end of the week they were loose and sloppy so I sold the 45 and went back down to the 44.5 in the Spantik and stayed in the 45 in the Oly Mons.

So for a 10.5 Ascis and 44.5 LS runner wearer a 44 or 44.5 will be perfect depending on sock and footbed.

I have a pair of brand new never worn LS Nuptse's in 44.5 if anyone wants them. allen(at)Livinginswflorida(dot)com


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By turkbrim9
Dec 28, 2013

I wear a 44.5 in my lasportiva hiking boots, and 44.5 in my Nepal Evo single boots (with a green super feet insole). I tried 44.5 in the Spantiks and they were just a little too tight in the toes. I bumped up to a 45 and use a blue super feet insole, with a mountaineering sock and the feet seems to be pretty dialed in. Also, in the past I tried wearing the Trango Evo Extremes and I could not get the fit dialed in with the smaller toe box. If I wore the a size 45 the toes were ok, but my heel would slip, if I went smaller my toes were smashed. Hopefully this helps you. Cheers.


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By Dane
Dec 29, 2013
Cham '11

Ya, the whole sizing up thing is non sense. Buy a boot that actually fits. That might even involve trying the boots on first :)

99% of those that fit a Nepal can wear the same size Spantik. But ya really wanta mold the inners to get them to fit right. If ya don't likely you think the boot doesn't fit. Molding a Spantik/Barunste.Oly Mons liner might not as easy as some have suggested but not rocket science either. If you want any of these boots to actually fit get someone with a clue to heat mold them for you...not everyone...knows how obviously. Any one telling to go "up a half size" is totally clueless as there are no true half sizes in double boots.

Intuition Denali liners in a climbing boot? Not only dated advice but bad advice for any modern fabric boot including the La Sportivas or Scarpa. Decent answer for a plastic boot but as I said dated info and inappropriate for a modern boot. Intuitions force you to use a bigger volume shell than required and the liner is simply too stiff for a climbing boot. Might be a warmer boot technically because of the added volume/space of a bigger shell and lots of foam. But they are a bitch by comparison for walking and climbing in. As I said..too stiff. Part of that is the over lapping cuff, part of it is the liner thickness and foam. Nice edge for comfort in a plastic shell. Sucks in a Spantik compared to a Baruntse liner. Only advantage is no laces. Baruntse liner does it all better and none of the down size the Intuition forces on you. Makes a decent ski boot however if that is what you want to do in your climbing boots.

Stop sizing up and for heaven's sake stop using heavy wool socks. None of the current boots are designed to do either. Med or lwt wool sock and a thin liner at most. Let the boot do its' job. The days of heavy weight wool socks being needed in a technical climbing boot are long dead.

Same chit (socks/fit) in the ice park or on Denali. Buy the appropriate boot for where you want to climb. You don't add socks to make a boot warmer. You buy a warmer boot.


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By csproul
From Rancho Cordova, CA
Dec 29, 2013
Summit of Wolf's Head with Pingora in the background

41.5 Trangos and Batura, 42 Spantik here. 41.5 Spantik had my toes hitting the ends.


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By Dane
Dec 29, 2013
Cham '11

Last on the Trango is a smaller volume than the Nepal. Batura last is suppose to mimic the Nepal. I find it closer in fit to the Trango last for my feet.

Double boots only come in full shell sizes. There are no half sizes just a slightly different mold/form on the liners..but same liners as well.

45.5 Spantik is also a 46 shell. 41.5 and 42 Spantik are the same shells.

"41.5 Trangos and Batura, 42 Spantik here. 41.5 Spantik had my toes hitting the ends"

www.mountainproject.com/v/spantik-fit-and-advice/108412686


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By cbr
Dec 29, 2013

Another $0.02, for what it's worth.

Fit on my Nepal EVOs is pretty good - so bought the same size Spantiks originally. Wore 'em around the house and tried everything to make them comfortable, but eventually concluded they weren't for me.

Wore Baruntses in the same size for a while, then went back to try to make Spantiks fit. Sized up a full size and they now work great for me. Your mileage may vary.


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By csproul
From Rancho Cordova, CA
Dec 29, 2013
Summit of Wolf's Head with Pingora in the background

Dane wrote:
Last on the Trango is a smaller volume than the Nepal. Batura last is suppose to mimic the Nepal. I find it closer in fit to the Trango last for my feet. Double boots only come in full shell sizes. There are no half sizes just a slightly different mold/form on the liners..but same liners as well. 45.5 Spantik is also a 46 shell. 41.5 and 42 Spantik are the same shells. "41.5 Trangos and Batura, 42 Spantik here. 41.5 Spantik had my toes hitting the ends" www.mountainproject.com/v/spantik-fit-and-advice/108412686

I know we'd had this conversation before an I can't quite remember what the outcome was?...But I can tell you that my shells (41.5 an 42) were different sizes. They were labeled as different sizes and they were clearly different sizes when placed side by side. I tried all combinations of inner and outer boot and I am 100% sure that regardless of inner boot used, my feet hit the ends of the 41.5 and not the 42's. Now maybe they are supposed to be the same size and there is some variability in the production, but I am 100% sure that these two were not equivalent. I even had to readjust the length of my crampons between the two. I think you said something about Spantik breaking up the shell sizes differently than other doubles maybe (i.e. 41.5 and 42 are the same vs 41 and 41.5 being the same)? Maybe this has something to do with my observed difference?


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By Dane
Dec 30, 2013
Cham '11

FACT:

There are no half size Spantiks (Baruntse, Oly Mons, Scarpa 6000 or Zamberlan Denali or any other modern dbl boot I have seen recently.

43.5 and 44 are the same size shell in a Spantik

44.5 and 45 are the same size shells in a Spantik.

45.5 and 46 are the same size shells in a Spantik.

Scarpa 6000 only comes in full sizes..44/45/46 etc.
Half sizes and a perfect fit can easily be accomidated with the appropriate thin sock combos by choosing the right inner boot and heat molding.

Liners (Baruntse. Oly Mons and Spantik) can be molded to fit a 1/2 size either way. Best inner boot IMO by a huge margin on fit and warmth for any of the boots listed is the La Sportiva Baruntse liner made by Palau.


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By BC85
Mar 10, 2014

I spoke with La sportiva this morning and they said that their doubles boots do not share same last sizes from half sizes to full sizes ie: 41.5-42.0. I was told that each half size has a different shell size from the full size. But really who knows. Its the fit that matters, not really the numbers.


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By Mitch Musci
Mar 10, 2014

BC85 wrote:
I spoke with La sportiva this morning


Thanks for sharing some info direct from the manufacturer. Dane has been quite persistent on insisting these boots don't come in half shell sizes. Well, they do and it is our community that can benefit from knowing the real facts.


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By superkick
From West Hartford, CT
Mar 11, 2014
Free Solo up hitchcock gully WI3

id trust dane over what some la sportiva customer service rep claims. just sayin'


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By Adam Burch
From San Dieger
Mar 11, 2014
you local?

I wear a 46 in the Trango and Nepal. Trango is slightly smaller, it seems.

Spantik I wear a 46.5 - that being said, I've heard many a brother say they wear the same size in a Nepal/Spantik.

On the shell/liner issue with half sizes: I spoke with Sportiva, and they confirmed that my shell was the same shell for the 46.5 and 47, but that the liners would be slightly different. I bought them used, and was concerned that if they might be too tight, I could size up if needed.


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By Mitch Musci
Mar 11, 2014

Wow, so La Sportiva can't get their facts straight on their own product. I agree with superkick that reps aren't necessarily the best sources for technical details, and that Dane is a respectable source for this type of info. However I stand by my original case that the shells come in half sizes. This is based on 2 years of bootfitting experience with the Spantik, Baruntse, and Olympus Mons, as well as physically measuring boot sole lengths. Believe what you want...just trying to help.


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By Kai Larson
From Sandy, Utah
Mar 12, 2014
Tour Ronde North Face

Dane wrote:
FACT: There are no half size Spantiks 44.5 and 45 are the same size shells in a Spantik.


This is not true.

I have a 44.5 Spantik and a 45 Spantik

The shell of the 44.5 is smaller than that of the 45.
The difference is enough that I have to adjust my crampons differently to fit the different boots. I just measured the soles with a tape measure. The 44.5 has a shorter sole than the 45.

The 44.5 is not the same size as the 45. The 45 is larger.


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By michael voth
Mar 13, 2014
2nd pitch of Womb.

maybe a touch bigger than your steep ice boots for high altitude stuff. probably same size for the steep and high. try em on to be sure


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By Mitch Musci
Mar 13, 2014

Kai Larson wrote:
I have a 44.5 Spantik and a 45 Spantik


That's quite a dream setup! Thanks for posting your findings. It's funny that this topic has been the source of much discussion. The even crazier thing is that some people still won't believe it. I wish we could CC La Sportiva to fill them in on their own boots.


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By Adam Burch
From San Dieger
Mar 13, 2014
you local?



Incidentally, after a little adjustment and heat-molding, the 46.5 liner was just fine


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By Kai Larson
From Sandy, Utah
Mar 13, 2014
Tour Ronde North Face

Mitch Musci wrote:
That's quite a dream setup! Thanks for posting your findings. It's funny that this topic has been the source of much discussion. The even crazier thing is that some people still won't believe it. I wish we could CC La Sportiva to fill them in on their own boots.



It's not by choice. I have different size feet. My left foot is 1/2 to 3/4 size smaller than my right. (Just enough to make a difference in fit) I tend to buy most of my climbing footwear in 2 sizes. Believe me, I made certain that the shells on these two sizes of Spantik were different before I forked over them money for a second pair. Wish I didn't have to spend the $$$ buying two pair of boots all the time, but sadly, there is no substitute for a good fit.


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