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Oct 31, 2012
Bocan
Avi Katz wrote:
what about $800 jackets.. can anyone seriously afford this or is this just a trendy piece to wear around town in say.... jackson hole?


I felt bad when i bought a $500 dead bird shell. $800? wowza.
Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Joined Feb 15, 2006
927 points
Oct 31, 2012
First climb after knee surgery
Lets get real about change in prices. I've been climbing since 1974. I can't remember what I was paying for stuff in the 1980's but about 1990 I was buying LaSportiva's for $130 and I remember buying a 60m bicolor Edelweiss rope in 1992 for $170. So if we assume 2% inflation on a yearly basis (which is extremely conservative over the time period)

shoes (1990) $130 adjusted price (2012)$200.97
rope (1992) $170 adjusted price (2012) $237.16

If you use the real inflation rates that are published for the same period

shoes (1990) $130 adjusted price (2012)$232.18
rope (1990) $160 adjusted price (2012)$260.19

while there is economy of scale (there are more climbers in 2012 then in 1990) climbing shoes have done an amazing job at maintaining their prices (especially since I would expect the cost of shoes to be tied to labor costs which need to maintain pace with inflation to be fair to the employees of the companies along with the cost of supplies).

Ropes on the otherhand have appreciated at a rate equivelent to inflation. Now I haven't looked at the cost of crude (since I would expect rope costs to be largely dependent on material costs-although that is my best guess- and nylon 6,6 is derived from petrochemicals which are tied to the cost of crude), but the labor portion would be tied to inflation and and the materials cost tied to crude.

To me I think the companies are doing a damn good job at maintaining their costs.

Now any company worth anything has to innovate which cuts into the bottom line, but R&D costs usually maintain at a fixed percentage of income.
Now I am not from those two industries, I'd love to hear from someone from within the industries.

Personally, I think the quality of shoes (and ropes) have improved since 1990 but the real adjusted cost has gone down dramatically. I'd like to give the industry credit that it seems few people appreciate.
chuck claude
From Flagstaff, Az
Joined Jul 24, 2006
269 points
Nov 1, 2012
Jonhy Q wrote:
Anyone put more than three resoles on a pair of either solutions or muiras? I find that by the third resole they are about as dead as . . . could be a funny climbing joke but I will hold off on that one.


I am on my 5th resole (also my 5th year) on my Miura and they are still strong.

Key points to have a long life on your shoes IMHO:
1- Improve your footwork,
2- REMOVE shoes between climb in gym.
3- if you can, REMOVE them safely between pitches in multipitches
4- DO NOT WALK with your shoes
5- ventilate them after climb, do not keep them in backpack
waltereo
Joined Jul 7, 2007
5 points
Administrator
Nov 1, 2012
A Very Not Snowy Christmas...
La Sportiva announced they were raising all shoe prices this year 20%... it wasn't a surprise. We stocked up on stuff before they raised em. Morgan Patterson
Joined Oct 13, 2009
8,415 points
Nov 1, 2012
Middle
Try motorsports on for size if you think climbing is expensive. I was spending $350 per weekend on just tires for my sportbike. Travel expenses and maintenance put it around $750 for the weekend. Then throw in around $10K for a race prep'd bike and gear. I binned a few of them up too so better double the bike cost and add in medical bills.

Or maybe shooting sports...$1.5K for an ok scope.

Climbing is cheap, I can buy an entire rack of gear for what it cost to go racing for two weekends or 1/3 of a long range rig.
Ray Pinpillage
From West Egg
Joined Jul 23, 2010
130 points
Nov 1, 2012
...
"But then again, you probably pity me because I sit behind a desk during the weekdays while you're out climbing 10+ routes per day every day"...


Just wanted to say "THANKS!" for paying for my future hospital bills, food stamps and whatever else comes up.

;-)
Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Joined Oct 13, 2002
2,361 points
Nov 1, 2012
Bocan
I'm not sure if someone mentioned it, but don't forget about the comparison between the euro and dollar. Those flucuations DO affect the overall production price and buying power. Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Joined Feb 15, 2006
927 points
Nov 1, 2012
Bocan
chufftard wrote:
the price of beer is out of hand! $10 a 6 pack!


Oh and this is the worst!! And I hear it's going up again. It's almost at the point where drinking PBR or coors at a dive bar you can almost break even with a store bought sixer.
Scott McMahon
From Boulder, CO
Joined Feb 15, 2006
927 points
 
Nov 1, 2012
Big Boulder, just a bit downhill from Temple of Ka...
Climbing is cheap, I can buy an entire rack of gear for what it cost to go racing for two weekends

Ray as someone who has been in Motorsports for 45 years, I agree.

You have never lived till you have flatspotted a $1,200 set of tires on your warm up lap cause gome n00b spun in frount of you....

Climbing is DIRT cheap.
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
187 points
Nov 1, 2012
...
"You have never lived till you have flatspotted a $1,200 set of tires on your warm up lap cause gome n00b spun in frount of you..."


I did a couple years of REGIONAL and can totally relate.
Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Joined Oct 13, 2002
2,361 points
Nov 2, 2012
Which way again?
I think spending money on shoes and resoles is part of the game, I guess for every aspect of the game, there's going to be someone out there who just despises the way things work.

I enjoy the process of feeling a crisp C4 edge contacting a hold that I'd shit myself trusting in a beat-up pair of worn, rolled-rubber stretched out stink factories.

But I like all kinds of things that seem odd to others, math metal, watching women eat ice cream cones, the sound of one hand clapping...the list goes on. Accept your inner individual, then get out there in the world and try to make everyone else share your views. Uhh...
Cunning Linguist
Joined Feb 15, 2007
2,478 points
Heck if we are going to complain about prices I have a few gripes!!!

Ammo for my collection is retarted, I am dropping .50 a shot for "cheap" ammo!

My road bike has around 4k miles on it and needs a bunch of new crap easy 1K

Climbing? Pshh. I have 6 pairs of shoes, mythos, nagos, chilli peppers, galeios (sp?), and two pairs that I let other ppl use and I dunno what they are. I believe I bought every pair for under 100 bucks except the mythos. That is because my climbing buddies are fan boys and would not shut up about those things. They are not worth it. Basically, my whole climbing set up would get me a new road bike or about a month or two worth of ammo for my three guns.

Climbing is cheap.
Nov 2, 2012
Dow Williams, 2011
I agree with Chuck Claude. Anyone who has climbed for 20yrs+ has to admit that ropes, shoes, passive and active protection has remained competitive and well priced regarding inflation. Paying $500-800 for a jacket is just plain stupid if only because you can buy an equivalent jacket for $200 made in the same country, that serves the same purpose. There is less science and/or magical properties associated with clothes than crampons or cams. GoreTex is GoreTex. eVent is eVent. Companies like OR make more than adequate clothes for tons less than deadbird. But the biggest reason for not spending $800 on a jacket?...if you are really climbing in it, whether it be alpine, ice or rock...if you push yourself at all, you should tear the hell out of it, and proudly so. Why would you want to have so much $$$ invested in softgoods? Makes no sense.

The best excuse I hear??? "Oh I bought it on sale...$400 instead of $600...."...yeah, well, the $200 jacket is ususally on sale for $140 as well dufus.

And anyone who runs through one pair of shoes in one week is a prima-donna...it is not the shoe or the jacket bro...it is the footwork that makes you a better climber.
Dow Williams
From Saint George, UT
Joined Mar 13, 2006
196 points
Nov 2, 2012
Big Boulder, just a bit downhill from Temple of Ka...
I did a couple years of REGIONAL and can totally relate.

Locker.... racing is life! Climbing comes close, but nothing like running a near perfict lap.

Dow.... +1
Guy Keesee
From Moorpark, CA
Joined Mar 1, 2008
187 points
Nov 5, 2012
La Sportiva Miura, 160$ !
I am ruined !
waltereo
Joined Jul 7, 2007
5 points
Jan 16, 2013
Uh, here's some fascinating reading for those who may actually want to learn more about the topic.
denverpost.com/boulder/ci_2208...

and
outdoorindustry.org/news/webne...
smassey
From CO
Joined Dec 2, 2008
374 points
 
Jan 16, 2013
Ray Pinpillage wrote:
Or maybe shooting sports...$1.5K for an ok scope.


Not sports
Mark Roberts
From Vancouver, BC
Joined Oct 13, 2009
949 points
Jan 16, 2013
Rock Wars, RRG, 2008
I can't believe those suckered into buying a 'new model' of the shoes out each year. And willing to pay the full price! Yet my overstock of unused 'new' shoes in sizes 5 to 7.5, just can't sell even for 40 bucks or less. It's all about the style? What are we here, just like inner city basketball playin' kids who need $180.00 new Nike Jordans each year to be happening' in their gangs? Woodchuck ATC
Joined Nov 29, 2007
3,090 points
Administrator
Jan 16, 2013
Belay
The price of climbing shoes doesn't seem all that bad compared to what has happened to mid/high-end bikes.

Back in 2000 I bought a pretty great mountain bike for $1,800 that was marked down from $2,200. It seems that in order to get a comparable level of quality these days you need to shell out $3,500 to $4,500, and that's just getting into the nice stuff. I know there is some amazing technology going into bikes these days but it's crazy to me that the boutique companies can charge as much for an XC mountain bike as an entry-level Ducatti.
Peter Franzen
From Phoenix, AZ
Joined Jan 1, 2001
4,021 points
Jan 16, 2013
At the BRC
smassey wrote:
Uh, here's some fascinating reading for those who may actually want to learn more about the topic. denverpost.com/boulder/ci_2208... and outdoorindustry.org/news/webne...


I really enjoyed the quote from Gary Neptune. Made me feel better about shopping online.

However, Neptune Mountaineering owner Gary Neptune said he would be "happy" for the cost of shoes to increase. He said the international tariffs could force specialty shoemakers to bring manufacturing back to the U.S.
He added that if shoes become more expensive, consumers will hold on to them longer, which means less waste.
"If they have to keep (them) for a long time, that's better for the whole world," Neptune said.
Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Joined Nov 29, 2007
204 points
Jan 16, 2013
I would think that someone who owns a business that charges $82.00 for a resole of a product(60 per pair, 12 for rand, 10 shipping ((I know thats the highest possible price)) could understand that the original product could potentially be double that.

If your that tired of high prices, just do what every soulless dirtbag does and return your muiras to REI for new ones every 4 months. Its like a shoe subscription!
JoshCalvin
Joined Aug 11, 2011
0 points
Jan 17, 2013
Valor Over Discretion (5.8), RRG
JoshCalvin wrote:
If your that tired of high prices, just do what every soulless dirtbag does and return your muiras to REI for new ones every 4 months. Its like a shoe subscription!

Works for the individual but inevitably that money has to be recouped by REI in the form of higher prices or lower dividends. hey, stop stealing my dividend dirtbags!!

seriously though, I think Chuck was onto a good point. If average prices for any product are the same as they were 20 years ago, in reality they've gone down at about the same rate inflation has gone up. Maybe we should be extolling shoe companies for dropping prices instead of raising them to the $200+ mark.

I still don't like paying triple digits for shoes though. so I don't :P
Brian Hudson
From Lenoir, NC
Joined Dec 10, 2010
112 points


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