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By Brandt Allen
From Joshua Tree, Cal
Oct 29, 2012

I think Locker is OUT OF HAND!


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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Oct 29, 2012
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"I think Locker is OUT OF HAND!"


I miss you TOO!

LOL!


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By Ian Stewart
Oct 29, 2012

I'm definitely a La Sportiva guy, though my first pair of shoes were Evolve Defy's that I had to throw out after not too long due to the synthetic materials holding stink like nobody's business. Over the cumulative 4 years or so of climbing (was on and off at the beginning), I've accumulated and still use:

2x Miuras (Had to pay $140 retail for one, $90 for the other. One is on its first resole, the other is on its third)
1x Mythos (Paid $90, on its first resole)
1x Vipers (Paid $50, on its first resole)
1x TC Pros (Just got them from the 20% REI sale, $144, haven't worn them yet)

If you add it all up, I'm probably looking at about $750 total cost over 4 years. And seeing as ALL of those shoes were just freshly resoled a few weeks ago, and the TC Pros are brand new, I estimate that I won't need to spend any more money on shoes for at least a year. So, that $750 will end up lasting about 5 years, or about $150/year.

I'll be the first to admit I'm horribly cheap, and cringe at spending $150 for shoes, but $150/year is nothing compared to how much I spend on other sports. Hell, $150 won't even cover one weekend up at the ski resorts. And ignoring the upfront cost of the bike, I'm pretty sure my road and mountain bikes end up costing more than that each year between consumables and maintenance/repair parts. A decent pair of road bike tires costs about $100 and I'll get about 2000 miles on them (assuming no serious hazard damage), so that's about $200/year right there.

Lastly, even though some shoes are super expensive, like the $180 TC Pros, you can easily find shoes much cheaper. My wife owns 3 pairs of shoes and I don't think a single pair cost her more than $60.


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By Brendan Mulhern
Oct 29, 2012

PM me for two pairs of Climb X Rockstars (comparable to la sportive solutions) for $180 with free shipping anywhere in the lower 48.


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By slim
Administrator
Oct 29, 2012
tomato, tomotto, kill mike amato.

i always think it is pretty funny when people complain about the price of shoes and the price of gear. the prices have literally been pretty consistent for 20 years or more. look at old mags from the early 90's and you will see what i mean. camalots - $59.95, etc......


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By Real Name Taken
Oct 29, 2012

You can get sportiva Mythos right now at www.theclymb.com for $74...normally $140.

If you look you won't have to pay full price ;-)


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By Eddie Brown
From Tempe, Arizona
Oct 29, 2012

Woodchuck ATC wrote:
Unless you are looking for the highest performance shoe, I say just go to outlet link of many shoe companies(like MadRock) and get the last years model shoe for like 20 to60 bucks. Who cares what year model or color it is anyway!!!


+1 I bought 4 pairs of Madrock Locos a while back for 25 bucks a pair. As long as I was careful with my footwork I could get each pair to last about 4 or 5 months and I was climbing everyday. (I miss those days...) By no means were they the best shoe in the world, but it's not like a better shoe would have made me climb any stronger. And it forced me to not be sloppy with my footwork cause the shoe would wear through so fast.


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By Jake Carroll
From Fort Collins
Oct 29, 2012
The Monastery

Brendan Mulhern wrote:
PM me for two pairs of Climb X Rockstars (comparable to la sportive solutions) for $180 with free shipping anywhere in the lower 48.


Anything about Climb X should be considered a troll comment.


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By Tony B
From Around Boulder, CO
Oct 29, 2012
Got Milk? How about forearm pump? Tony leads "Alan Nelson's Bulging Belly" (5.10, X) on the Lost and Found Flatiron. Belayer is Mark Ruocco. Photo by Bill Wright, 10/06.

Real Name Taken wrote:
You can get sportiva Mythos right now at www.theclymb.com for $74...normally $140. If you look you won't have to pay full price ;-)

Well yeah, provided you want a size 36 or 36.5...


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By Evan S
From Erie, CO
Oct 29, 2012
Me, of course

Used shoes are worse than used underwear, have some self respect. You get what you pay for people. If you really can't shell out an extra $50 more than you used to once or twice a year for the thing you're passionate about, maybe that's says something a little deeper about you...


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By bearbreeder
Oct 29, 2012

Evan S wrote:
Used shoes are worse than used underwear, have some self respect. You get what you pay for people. If you really can't shell out an extra $50 more than you used to once or twice a year for the thing you're passionate about, maybe that's says something a little deeper about you...


it says that saving money for gas to the crags for more climbing is more important than spending $$$$ on fancy shoes ;)

and if you climb a lot ... and i mean 10+ pitches of trad daily ... youll wear out a set of new shoes in 1-2 months or less


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By Sir Wanksalot
From County Jail
Oct 29, 2012

How is it shoes are considered expensive, but most sport climbers I see just love $100 pants from prana? Shoes are cheap, cocain and child support are expensive.


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By Evan S
From Erie, CO
Oct 29, 2012
Me, of course

bearbreeder wrote:
it says that saving money for gas to the crags for more climbing is more important than spending $$$$ on fancy shoes ;) and if you climb a lot ... and i mean 10+ pitches of trad daily ... youll wear out a set of new shoes in 1-2 months or less


If I climbed that much I wouldn't have time to work and make money to buy said shoes... Cost of doing business dude. Enjoy freedom, I'm personally sitting at my desk (aka shipping computer in a warehouse) and thinking strongly about how I could blow my savings and not work for the next 6 months...

But seriously, even an extra $500 a year to climb a lot shouldn't be an issue, shit costs money in the future here man, inflation isn't just a boogeyman in a closet, it's for real real, not for play play.


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By bearbreeder
Oct 29, 2012

Evan S wrote:
If I climbed that much I wouldn't have time to work and make money to buy said shoes... Cost of doing business dude. Enjoy freedom, I'm personally sitting at my desk (aka shipping computer in a warehouse) and thinking strongly about how I could blow my savings and not work for the next 6 months... But seriously, even an extra $500 a year to climb a lot shouldn't be an issue, shit costs money in the future here man, inflation isn't just a boogeyman in a closet, it's for real real, not for play play.


10$ a day to the crag in gas when split with a partner ... thats 50 days a year climbing .... thats also the cost of gas from vancouver, food and camping fees for a full week of climbing in yosemite ...

thats the math i use ;)


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By Paul-B
Oct 29, 2012
Flakes of Wrath

5.10s are available on theclymb.com also today, lots of sizes.


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By Evan S
From Erie, CO
Oct 29, 2012
Me, of course

bearbreeder wrote:
10$ a day to the crag in gas when split with a partner ... thats 50 days a year climbing .... thats also the cost of gas from vancouver, food and camping fees for a full week of climbing in yosemite ... thats the math i use ;)


I meant shoes... the incidentals shouldn't need to be listed, they just "are." Leisure cost $, no way around it. Climbing is actually by far the cheapest thing I do for fun, try adding up mtn bike parts, ski gear, gas to get to skiing, and fishing tackle and gear...


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By bearbreeder
Oct 29, 2012

Evan S wrote:
I meant shoes... the incidentals shouldn't need to be listed, they just "are." Leisure cost $, no way around it. Climbing is actually by far the cheapest thing I do for fun, try adding up mtn bike parts, ski gear, gas to get to skiing, and fishing tackle and gear...


always spending money on $$$$ shoes can detract from the amount of time you spend climbing ... just like anything else

it doesnt matter what else you do or how expensive other stuff is ... what matters is how much you go out and climb ... thats the BEST way to get better and have more fun ...

the common thing ive noticed over the years is that those who climb the most tend to treat gear as expendables ... they try to limit what they spend on gear as it generally takes away from climbing ... these arent the guys with fancy $$$$$ ropes, brand new sportiva $$$$ shoes all the time, shiny new barely used latest totem cams, etc ... what they have works and does what they need at a good price .... and they go out and do it day after day

there are of course exceptions such as sponsored climbers, or perhaps youre out sending that 5.13/14 and need those new $$$$ shoes for that ... but i suspect thats not most of the MPers here that insist they "need" new shoes to do more moderate climbing ;)


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By Evan S
From Erie, CO
Oct 29, 2012
Me, of course

bearbreeder wrote:
always spending money on $$$$ shoes can detract from the amount of time you spend climbing ... just like anything else it doesnt matter what else you do or how expensive other stuff is ... what matters is how much you go out and climb ... thats the BEST way to get better and have more fun ... the common thing ive noticed over the years is that those who climb the most tend to treat gear as expendables ... they try to limit what they spend on gear as it generally takes away from climbing ... these arent the guys with fancy $$$$$ ropes, brand new sportiva $$$$ shoes all the time, shiny new barely used latest totem cams, etc ... what they have works and does what they need at a good price .... and they go out and do it day after day there are of course exceptions such as sponsored climbers, or perhaps youre out sending that 5.13/14 and need those new $$$$ shoes for that ... but i suspect thats not most of the MPers here that insist they "need" new shoes to do more moderate climbing ;)


I only "need" new shoes when my old one's I've resoled twice already have a hole in the toe. No lectures needed, I think we all understand that climbing more usually makes you a better climber, and posers usually have the shiniest gear.


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By Alex McIntyre
From Tucson, AZ
Oct 29, 2012

Brendan Mulhern wrote:
PM me for two pairs of Climb X Rockstars (comparable to la sportive solutions) for $180 with free shipping anywhere in the lower 48.

Nothing made by Climb X is in any way comparable to anything made by La Sportiva.


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Oct 29, 2012
Colonel Mustard

chufftard wrote:
Shoes are the one thing you use every time you climb, and yes hand made italian shoes cost money.


I love my Miuras. VS and lace up. The VS have been holding up pretty well, but the sportiva rubber is already starting to de-lam on my lace-ups (a resole with sportiva rubber).


Maybe I'll get the next resole with C4 though.


Next shoes of mine will probably be getting Moccasyms in my shoe quiver once again. They are truly a great, relatively inexpensive shoe (if they fit you).


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By Locker
From Yucca Valley, CA
Oct 29, 2012
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bearbreeder spoke some wise words above.

Don't know who you are (Or maybe I do?), but you appear to have been around the block at least a couple of times.


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By SeaJellie
From Ann Arbor, MI
Oct 29, 2012
Adrift on the oceans.

everyone is different. my spending $$ on climbing toys has never kept me off the rocks for even ONE day...

my family... and other responsibilities on the other hand... does keep me off the rocks for months at a time.... (and that's fine or great with me - I'm just making a point, mkay?)

trying to draw a comparison by somebody's toys and their climbing skillz or climbing time seems like a joke to me, even if we have all seen goobers walk into climbing shops w/ their gold card to buy a new rack without knowing how to belay.

i've also seen walking disasters with 30 year old gear. not sure what conclusion to draw from those climbing data points. there is none.

all i know is, when i decided to spend a few extra clams on new shoes, certain climbs got easier. Plus, my ankles get a lot less scrapped up in Veed now that somebody is finally making shoes that cover ankles again (TCPros).

still waiting for some one to score me some GRIP... :-)


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By Brian in SLC
Oct 29, 2012
Climbing in Smuggler's Notch

My opinion...shoes haven't really got too much more spendy than they were 30 years ago...

What were Fires when they came out? 80 to 100 per pair?

Bought these in 1985 (at the North Face when they went out in SLC):

Fire Cats circa 1985
Fire Cats circa 1985


I appreciate a shoe that works well for me. My first pair of TC Pro's had over 300 pitches on them when I sent them to...ugh...oh, yeah, Locker (!) for a resole. My others are in the same boat, and, I'd send them again (great job!) if I wasn't still climbing in them, and, can't stand the thought of not.

Yeah, 180 bucks is a bite. So is gas. Gas has bumped up a whole lot more, and so has minimum wages, than climbing shoes, IMHO.

Shoes...they're a bit of climbing gear that I use every, ahem, step of the way. I'll spend a bit more on them if I think they're worth it. And, for the higher end shoes that I climb in, yeah, I think I'm worth it (ha ha).

You can still get a nice pair of climbing shoes for around a 100 bucks. Same as "back in the day".


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By Jeff Kent
From Sedona, Az
Oct 29, 2012

This thread is interesting to me. I have always considered climbing the least costly of my interests. Biking, rafting, and skiing, these are way more expensive pursuits!


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By Bryan G
From San Jose
Oct 29, 2012
Puffy jackets and Happy Boulders

I think on average I burn through 3 pairs of shoes a year. I've never gotten a pair resoled. I tend to climb a lot of cracks, so by the time the rubber blows out the leather uppers are also usually thrashed. So I've owned around 20 pairs of climbing shoes and managed to never spend more than $80 on a pair. In my first few years of climbing when I lived down by the Evolv and FiveTen outlets, i got by without ever spending more than $50 on a pair of shoes. Still though, $80 is pretty steep for a product that's only going to last me maybe 4 months. Shoes definitely end up being the most expensive climbing related gear in the long run. I'd probably be a better slab climber if they weren't so expensive, but I'm always reluctant to try out hard slab because I don't want to burn a hole in my shoes.


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