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By Richard Fernandez
From Flagstaff, AZ
Oct 22, 2012
Crack Test Dummies EPC
Howrad McGreehan wrote:
Aerili, you seem to know a lot about a lot of science-y, climb-y things. But you're very mean. Maybe you could be a bit more constructive with your comments? I like reading your posts, but they always seem so pretentious.


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By Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
Oct 22, 2012
At the BRC
Howrad McGreehan wrote:
Aerili, you seem to know a lot about a lot of science-y, climb-y things. But you're very mean. Maybe you could be a bit more constructive with your comments? I like reading your posts, but they always seem so pretentious.


Aerili actually knows what she is talking about and is generous enough to share her insights on MP.

Try hanging around educated people for a while...you'll get used to the way they talk.

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By Cultivating Mass
Oct 22, 2012
Leading on the only "fair means" rack.
Yep, among scientists, saying "that doesn't make sense" means they gave thought to your theory and are willing to exchange ideas.

That's a sign of respect and intelligent discourse.

Among electricians, they'll just tell you to go ahead and plug things in the way YOU think it's right, and take a few steps back. Then you get to find out for yourself.

Science nerds are good people. Electricians watch you get burnt and point and laugh.

Let's hear it for the polysyllabic!

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By Aerili
From Salt Lake City, UT
Oct 22, 2012
The West Desert...it's not just for climbing, suckers! <br /> <br />Photo by Samantha
Edited to add: ^^^ Thanks guys!!!! :)

Howrad McGreehan wrote:
Aerili, you seem to know a lot about a lot of science-y, climb-y things. But you're very mean. Maybe you could be a bit more constructive with your comments? I like reading your posts, but they always seem so pretentious.

Of all the people on here who fling mud and insult left and right, you think I'm really the mean one, huh? Interesting. (I admit I was a little mean here, but c'mon, has this guy been paying attention to his class material?)

Anyway, I usually reply to the "science-y" things with a neutral frame of mind and a goal to be objective, but maybe that sounds pretentious to some people. I'm not sure what to say to that. But also interestingly, I get a lot of people emailing me to tell me they think what I write is awesome and helpful. I guess you can't please everyone?

Oh, my other fault is probably that I'm a female with an opinion on things. That doesn't always seem to go over well. I didn't see any of the dudes mocking the OP get called out....

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By Matt J
From Bozeman, Montana
Oct 22, 2012
Aerili,

I am taking a standard 5cr MICROBIOLOGY course. Same course offered at most fine colleges and universities across the globe. In this course we study biology, on a micro level. Aerobic/Anaerobic Respiration are one of the main focus's in this class. I recall going over this same material in regular old Biology as well...

I've been biting my tongue, and really wanna throw this back in your face, but I won't, because I am not an ignorant person.

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By Finn the Human
From The Land of Ooo
Oct 22, 2012
Mathematical!
Matt J wrote:
Aerili, I am taking a standard 5cr MICROBIOLOGY course. Same course offered at most fine colleges and universities across the globe. In this course we study biology, on a micro level. Aerobic/Anaerobic Respiration are one of the main focus's in this class. I recall going over this same material in regular old Biology as well... I've been biting my tongue, and really wanna throw this back in your face, but I won't, because I am not an ignorant person.


Oh snap, I'm so ready for this to blow up.


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By Aerili
From Salt Lake City, UT
Oct 22, 2012
The West Desert...it's not just for climbing, suckers! <br /> <br />Photo by Samantha
Hahahaha, me too, Taylor! :D


Matt J wrote:
Aerobic/Anaerobic Respiration are one of the main focus's in this class.

With regard to exercise? Or with regard to basic cell (or microbial) functioning?

I took micro and don't remember studying anything about cellular exercise physiology. I do remember studying a lot about disease. Edited to add: I thought the unifying theme in micro was microorganisms.

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By CareBear
From SLC, UT
Oct 22, 2012
I would have to agree with Aerili that most standard microbiology courses would not cover lactic acid synthesis in humans. However, many professors compare and contrast both human and microorganism molecular processes (this is because similarities between the two can be studied in the microorganism and implied in humans). Hence the confusion between lactic acid synthesis and fermentation in the first place. The college courses I took (everywhere is different) respiration was covered on a protein level in biochemistry or molecular biology courses, while growth conditions (sugars, amino acids, nutrients, oxygen etc) are explored in a microbiology course. In general from my experiences, human processes are not explored to much in most micro courses aside from immunological response. If you want to explore something climbing related for a microbiology project, alpine medical risks of infection and contaminated water would probably be more ideal for the class. If you are covering human metabolism there is no reason to avoid lactic acid production more importantly the activation of this process. Ask your prof if you are not sure which is better. Best of luck with your project.

Some caring bear.

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By Matt J
From Bozeman, Montana
Oct 22, 2012
I realized a long time ago that arguing online reaps nothing. Well, I guess it can be entertaining :)

Stating in my first post was that I decided to use Anaerobic Respiration for my project of choice. Being a climber, choosing Anaerobic Respiration and how it is directly linked to muscle fatigue, I found it to be a fitting choice.

Bacteria are microorganisms. Our bodies are filled with bacteria. Specifically the Mitochondria, part bacteria, part eukaryote. Mitochondria is what is responsible for all the respiration occurring in our cells.

And yes, Anaerobic Respiration is also directly related to physiology.
But the process starts with the Mitochondria.

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By MaraC
Oct 23, 2012
taking a break from climbing shoes before rapping off Arrow
Matt J wrote:
And yes, Anaerobic Respiration is also directly related to physiology. But the process starts with the Mitochondria.


Not usually one to jump in the fray, but I'm pretty sure the process DOESN'T start with mitochondria. Anaerobic processes in the muscle take place in the cytosol. Even aerobic respiration starts with a substrate-level process - glycolosis - and doesn't "start with the Mitochondria".

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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Oct 23, 2012
You stay away from mah pig!
Aerili wrote:
Edited to add: ^^^ Thanks guys!!!! :) Of all the people on here who fling mud and insult left and right, you think I'm really the mean one, huh? Interesting. (I admit I was a little mean here, but c'mon, has this guy been paying attention to his class material?) Anyway, I usually reply to the "science-y" things with a neutral frame of mind and a goal to be objective, but maybe that sounds pretentious to some people. I'm not sure what to say to that. But also interestingly, I get a lot of people emailing me to tell me they think what I write is awesome and helpful. I guess you can't please everyone? Oh, my other fault is probably that I'm a female with an opinion on things. That doesn't always seem to go over well. I didn't see any of the dudes mocking the OP get called out....


awesome.

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By Buff Johnson
Oct 23, 2012
smiley face
I don't know what you guys are talking about. Every time I get pumped, I can suck a tasty stout right from my fingers and arm.

It's friggin awesome!!

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By Aerili
From Salt Lake City, UT
Oct 23, 2012
The West Desert...it's not just for climbing, suckers! <br /> <br />Photo by Samantha
Matt J wrote:
Being a climber, choosing Anaerobic Respiration and how it is directly linked to muscle fatigue, I found it to be a fitting choice.

My honest opinion is that it's a big stretch. I think you would end up writing a biochem paper. Others suggested better topics. Also, the science of muscle fatigue is currently a massive topic with loads of debate and uncertainty, and acidosis is one of the most questioned ideas presently. You probably want something more focused. Do what you will, but that's my $.02.

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By Matt J
From Bozeman, Montana
Oct 23, 2012
We are not taking an in depth look at fermentation/anaerobic stuff, just hitting the tip of the ice berg.

This isnt a big project either, just gotta make a poster of sorts. Very elementary. He encouraged us to choose something that relates to a topic that interests us.

And you are right, cellular resp begins in the cytosol. Immediately after posting this I realized I made a mistake but didnt really wanna edit.

Thanks everyone!

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By Adam B
From Wheat Ridge, CO
Oct 23, 2012
Middle St. Vrain
AWESOME, I learned about exercise physiology on the internet today! The bio folks geek out on muscles, the Enginerds geek out on bolts(nerd bolts) , but rarely does anyone talk about the rocks? Sad... So sad.

Aerili, you actually do not come across mean at all, in fact you seem like a very nice intelligent lady.

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By AJS
From Boulder, CO
Oct 23, 2012
In the sea of Cortez - Baja California, Mexico
Oh OH OHHHH! Who want to talk quantum physics???


  • crickets*


Damn it!

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By michaeltarne
Oct 24, 2012
Love me some wave functions!

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