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Raven Rocks West (Warm-up Wall)
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YDS: 5.10c French: 6b Ewbanks: 20 UIAA: VII ZA: 20 British: E2 5b

Type:  Sport, 1 pitch, 65'
Consensus:  YDS: 5.10c French: 6b Ewbanks: 20 UIAA: VII ZA: 20 British: E2 5b [details]
FA: Jack Marshall, Sam Owings
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Submitted By: susan peplow on Dec 16, 2006

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Fun start; somewhat sequential for the first clip. Well protected. OK to do while in the area, but keep heading down the way to your right as the routes get better.


First route right of dirty/loose crack.

Southern CA sport climbing guide route # 876


7 bolts, shut anchors, rap down

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By andy patterson
From: Santa Barbara, CA
Jan 21, 2013
rating: 5.10c 6b 20 VII 20 E2 5b

If you're at your limit leading this grade, it's tempting to "step over" to the left and stem on the dihedral. Resist! Don't deny yourself the great top-out at the end.
By Clif Clap
May 22, 2013

Has its moments but can be awkward. Tricky in the middle with a sheer section and high hands and small feet. Worth doing but not nearly as cool as Love Onsite at the same grade which follows a smoother sequence.
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