$38.50 plus $8 shipping (signature required they said). You shouldn't have tax being shipped out of state. Think I'll pass at that price. (unless you give a resounding review - update us if you buy them) If you want to buy, email Carolyn@planetgranite.com for purchase from PG.
I've been listening to folks complain about the whole aid thing forever. Unless you're climbing chalkless without shoes, stfu. If you're climbing chalkless without shoes, well then I simply don't share your hard core ethic.
Here's a reveiw for the gloves:
I used the gloves last year for 2/3 season and put some good mileage on them. They held up well, althought I'll have to put some new velcro (soft side) on them this year as that took a beating and as it became fuzzy stopped sticking so well. At the end of the season that was dealt with by a single wrap of tape around the back of the glove. They're very thin. While the backing of the glove is rubber, its nowhere near as sticky as climbing shoes. I don't know what Ocun says about this, but it looks like the rubber was chosen for wear rather than friction. I don't beleive the glove is any better or stickier than tape. In fact I think for tight hands tape could even be better.
Here is why I like the gloves over tape: prior to getting the gloves mid July I went through something like 4 or 5 roles of tape. This is both expensive and wasteful. I even reused some of the tape as long as it was still sticky and working. I've used almost no tape since purchase of the gloves. When climbing in Red Rock or Eldo or areas where there are a lot climbs that have pitches of both face and crack you can choose the pitches on which you'll use the gloves - on for crack's where needed and off for face. You can also remove the gloves at the end of every pitch, which allows someone like me to comfortably use gloves for belaying and descending.
I've seen hand jammies and some of the other "crack gloves" and these are by far superior. While not for everyone, they work and I believe worth the price.
saw some folks with these out this past weekend.... tried them on but blanked on what size they had. anyone have them and mind putting up what size they have and a measurement of their hand? (circumfrence at knuckles, and palm height ?)
I ripped the living shit out of MY hands last year when a fellow climber rigged a rap shitty and had to bail fast as the weather was pouring. Still have scars all over my hand. Not the end of the woirld of course - but as a RN - I 'wok with my hands' and tape up noe for all climbs! Screw that shite!
i used some leftover stealth paint i have to patch my shoes over a pair of carefully constructed tape gloves (just used a single layer of barely overlaping tape) and they are the bomb. i could probably make 10 pairs from a $20 carton of stealth paint.
Not if you work with body fluids, infected liquids, clean poop from a bed ridden person, constantly give head to toe bed baths and touch various other disgusting things with your hands that can easily infect skin tears and flappers.
It also stings like a bitch constantly using alcohol sanitizer with all the tears I have.
... I guarantee in another 7 years these gloves will be standard just like all the above has become. Early adopters be proud... We have always endured criticism for being one step ahead. :)
There has been a version of these out and readily available since at least 1995. They haven't become standard yet and they won't.
The reality of these gloves is that they handicap your climbing. If you can do it with a hand jammie, it would have been easier with tape or even barehanded if you know how to jam. There are a handful of gnarly cracks that they would be nice on, hence the single pitch of multipitch route comments. They are not required though.
If a reusable, sensitive, durable, glove that doesn't ruin tight hands comes out, it would become standard soon enough. Right now that product grows on your hands and gets worse after each "harvest".
I see your point and only time will tell weather they will catch on. Most humans are submissive to community pressure then again maybe they will suck. Im not much of a crack climber. Living in San Jose, CA i boulder most the time and face climb. I just want protection without having to make tape gloves. I just bought them and am going to try them out in Lake Tahoe on Thursday. Ive done several hands to wide cracks in Yosemite with tape gloves and they worked fine just want to try something new. Note: they are not any thicker than the tape gloves i have used used in the past. Ill see whats up an post an objective report. :)
i used hand jammies for the first time this spring. they shine on alpine routes with wet cracks.
i can see both sides of the argument, yeah they're sticky and give an advantage. i don't use them for cragging or on hard(for me) cracks. they're bulky for thin hands and i like to think my jams are pretty damn solid. however, wet/icy granite can be a bitch. i'd rather climb fast and have someone talk shit than lose my weather window and get wet/cold/turn into a lightning rod.
end of the day, they're gear. use them when you need to. healthy hands are a big deal on multiple day routes.
Just because some climber you don't know but can google climbs stuff that is physically easier to them than wiping does not prove the case that these conveinience, not performance, aids do anything at all. (I have pride in my run on sentences).
I ran into Kate Rutherford skinny dipping in Greenland. She didn't have anything on her hands at the moment.
I think of all the cracks between mid 12 and 13 I've personally climbed, and only one did I use tape. Handjammies would have probably worked just as well on that beast too FWIW. I feel like you're forgetting that 90% of the pos(t)ers here are interested in how they would work on the perfect hands 5.9. They'd work as well there as bowling shoes, boxing gloves, or roller skates. Seriously, is there anything you can do to actually handicap yourself on a perfect hand crack? I doubt it.
I suspect if it weren't for little women and n00bs, BD wouldn't be able to sell #2 cams.
Boxing gloves, bowling shoes, only women and noobs use #2 camalots? Oh my !!!
Correct. If you can't fall asleep on #2 camalot sized crack, you are doing it wrong.
BTW, I'm not riled up. I said in my initial post on this subject that if there was a good glove out there (I don't believe the Ocun is) that it would be standard equipment quickly. That includes my rack. Why wouldn't it?
As long as I bring my shoes and rope and chalk and tape and cams and nuts and draws and sometimes drill, I don't have a problem adding jammies to the list. So far though, I see little reason to.
As for my personal vendetta against mythos (my words, and true), I don't know why I hate them so much. Sure they suck but lots of things suck. Maybe it was that priest wearing mythos I encountered as an altar boy...