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Round 2: iPhone Mobile App - beta feedback for version 1.0 (build 11)
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By Chris Plesko
From Westminster, CO
Jul 1, 2011
OMG, I winz!!!

Finally got it loaded up with Boulder area today. Can't wait to take it out!


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By l.m.
From Salt Lake City, UT
Jul 1, 2011

This would be cool -- if, after you are in the area, you could sort the climbs from left to right/right to left.


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By dameeser
From denver
Jul 2, 2011
Vanagon

l.m. wrote:
This would be cool -- if, after you are in the area, you could sort the climbs from left to right/right to left.


I think this is a great idea. It would help with route finding.


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By goatboywonder
Jul 2, 2011
Hiking around Lumpy

Wow, really nice. I like how clean it is and easy to navigate. I agree with the above comments about grouping the search with My Areas section and moving the Download Areas to the bottom of the list. A couple suggestions that you may want to consider.

-It seems that you could really leverage the GPS to mark and find the start of the routes. Once you get the location of routes you could start to do the augmented reality stuff with the camera (like Yelp).

-I would personally like to have the routes/areas listed above the area "Description" and "Getting There" fields. I only read those sections once but I dig into the routes very often.

-I would like to have a list of "Favorite Crags" or Bookmarks where I can mark a crag (or any page) and it will be listed as another list on the home screen. For example, I may be planning on climbing a lot up on Hallet Peak in RMNP. Currently I have to navigate Alpine Rock -> RMNP - Rock -> Hallet Peak -> All Routes. Maybe in the title bar of each window you could put a plus button (similar to adding a bookmark in Safari) next to the home button that will add the current page to the home screen. This way I could have the All Routes page for Hallet on my home screen and get to it with one click.

-I am not sure I agree with excluding uploading photos from an iPhone. iPhone photos are not too bad and they would enable users to easily add photos of important route landmarks such as what the start of the route looks like and where you should veer left.


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By Daniel_L
From Orem, UT
Jul 3, 2011
Climbing the umbilical cord, the bolt just to my left was a spinner. Two really deep holds right there but they sound so hollow.

After spending two days out climbing using the app in a couple of different areas in the Wasatch I just wanted to check in and give an update. I agree with the comments others have made about having a tick list available. Really overall the app is awesome, really clean and easy to use. You did a great job with this thing. If you would just add a way to sort or view by type of route this would be the most awesome thing ever made.


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By Nick Faust
From Sandy, UT
Jul 3, 2011
Bushwhack Crack

I was thinking how cool it would be to have all the downloaded areas (potentially others that are not downloaded when cell signal is available) show up on the same map screen. Then be able to to zoom into the next level of detail, and so on. For example, I open the map and see all the primary areas such as Maple Canyon or Uinta Mountains. Still in the map, I zoom in on Maple Canyon, and then all the subareas show up, such as Maple Canyon Road. I zoom in further and see the sub-sub areas such as School Room. This would be great for the spatially minded.


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By Jeremy Bauman
From Lakewood, CO
Jul 3, 2011
Climbing the headwall of Second Comming

Nick Faust wrote:
I was thinking how cool it would be to have all the downloaded areas (potentially others that are not downloaded when cell signal is available) show up on the same map screen. Then be able to to zoom into the next level of detail, and so on. For example, I open the map and see all the primary areas such as Maple Canyon or Uinta Mountains. Still in the map, I zoom in on Maple Canyon, and then all the subareas show up, such as Maple Canyon Road. I zoom in further and see the sub-sub areas such as School Room. This would be great for the spatially minded.



This would be awesome


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By M.Morley
Administrator
From Sacramento, CA
Jul 3, 2011
8-21-09

Nick Faust wrote:
I was thinking how cool it would be to have all the downloaded areas (potentially others that are not downloaded when cell signal is available) show up on the same map screen. Then be able to to zoom into the next level of detail, and so on. For example, I open the map and see all the primary areas such as Maple Canyon or Uinta Mountains. Still in the map, I zoom in on Maple Canyon, and then all the subareas show up, such as Maple Canyon Road. I zoom in further and see the sub-sub areas such as School Room. This would be great for the spatially minded.

+1

mongoose wrote:
Suggestion: use GPS to find nearby climbing areas, much like the climbingweather.com app.

+1

saxfiend wrote:
Looks like this is just about ready for prime time! Good work! JL

Yes, great job!

Sam, sent you some additional crash files. -Mike


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By Nick Faust
From Sandy, UT
Jul 4, 2011
Bushwhack Crack

Loving this app! I did think of another possible improvement late last night: Integrate the compass feature into the map as an option so that the phone will be oriented with the direction you are facing.

Again, great work!!!


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By dameeser
From denver
Jul 4, 2011
Vanagon

I AM USING A 3RD GENERATION IPOD TOUCH

Here are a few notes I made while climbing the past few days using only the mp app. I loved using this app, it was great. I was able to go to an area where there was no guide in print, and climb. I had never been to that area before either so from a practical view it was superb.

Everything loaded super fast and it was easy and helpful to use.



If the first ascent notes are long, you cannot view the whole thing. Should have a "tap to see more"

I think it would be GREAT to be able to add your own notes to a particular climb and area. There were a few times when I wanted to note when this side got sun and when it got shade.

Adding your own photos would be helpful also.

Sorting climbs left to right. I remember reading that you guys delegated this to area admins correct? Hopefully all of the areas will have this feature before you guys launch.

The low resolution pictures were useless to me. I would like to see an option to download either ALL the low res or ALL the high res pictures when downloading an area. Downloading the hi-res pictures one by one is...tough.

If you hit jump to end the show more and show last move to the top of the list. Seems weird. Shouldn't it still be on the bottom?

If you hit the show last it will sometimes, almost 50/50 only show you the last route. That should not happen right?

I hope this helps.


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By Jeremy Kasmann
From Denver, CO
Jul 5, 2011

dameeser wrote:
The low resolution pictures were useless to me. I would like to see an option to download either ALL the low res or ALL the high res pictures when downloading an area. Downloading the hi-res pictures one by one is...tough.


A bit more granularity when downloading areas would compliment this feature. For instance, if I am heading to the slab in the flatirons for the first time, I need the area/route info and high res pictures for that crag. I don't need the info for all of Boulder. Ideally I could download all of Boulder or a specific crag, depending on my needs.


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By Andy Laakmann
Site Landlord
From Bend, OR
Jul 5, 2011
Racked and loaded... name that splitter behind me? Hint, its on Supercrack Buttress

Our plan (hope!) is to offer a "Download All Photos" button for any area.

Obviously for HUGE areas this will be prevented as it would take way too long, but for your typical crag/area you'll hopefully be able to download all the hires photos with one button.


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By Rigggs24
From Denver, CO
Jul 5, 2011

So i havent used this app out at the crag yet but I have played around with it on and offline a bit and plan on using it outside this weekend. Thought I would give my initial thoughts on the app. I think overall its a great app and it is well organized. I agree with some other people here that a useful add would be to have an option to download all pictures for a particular crag. Some other aspects that I am not sure others have stated or at least not to the extent that I am thinking, involve the integration with the GPS and map. I think it would be very useful to have an option to tag the base of a route with a GPS point and further be able to give a thumbs up/down to an already existing point to help provide the best location data. Also, in the pages describing the approaches to a crag, I think it would be useful to be able to mark key points along approach trails, such as the trailhead and any forks in the trail. And then have the option to view approach trail GPS points and crag GPS points on a map. I would leave individual route points off of the larger map since it would probably get busy. I realize Mountain Proj is not a mapping software but I think this would be a really cool and useful addition. Only other suggestion I would have is to separate areas like "Boudler" into smaller downloads by crag. That one took me awhile to download and I really only wanted it for Eldo. Thanks for putting this app together. I will use it quite often and would definitely pay a fee for its use.


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By RyanO
From sunshine
Jul 5, 2011

Great work on the app, thanks for the opportunity to beta test :) Four things:

1. If you look at South platte/devils head/Arena there are four routes listed, and also four classic routes. But when you look at the routes, one of them has two stars, one has 3.5 and the other two have four. I thought this would only be 2 classics.

Now that I look, it's the same way on the website. So how are "classics" determined? I thought it was 4 stars/devils.

2. Grand Teton National Park came with the app, not sure if that was intentional. I'll not be making it up there in a while so I had to remove it.

3. The areas that you download show up in the order downloaded (I think), or maybe the order in which they finished downloading. Anyway, I should have downloaded all of colorado at once, but instead I picked out a few - golden, south platte, boulder, alpine rock, gunnison, etc.. Now I have a big old list of stuff, mostly in CO, and it would be nice to have them organized into a CO super category so I don't have to do so much scrolling around to find the places in Wyoming.

4. This might be more effort than it's worth, but I really miss the ability to click on the hyperlinks in places like this:

Colorado > South Platte > Devil's Head > The Arena

  • * I'm on the ticking and commenting side of the debate. I also don't think it would be a big deal to allow pictures, the iphone cameras are pretty good. Maybe a review process on pictures would work (e.g. 3 strikes are you're out?)

Thanks again for all of this hard work, the app looks and works great!


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By RyanO
From sunshine
Jul 5, 2011

One more thing: in itunes the mp app shows up with "unknown genre". Can you add categories, because I think this one deserves its own :) (yea, people, it's that good)


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By Merlin
From Grand Junction
Jul 5, 2011

Thanks for this. It coincides perfectly with my move back to Colorado.


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By Matt Krugman
Jul 5, 2011

Amazing work so far.

One "out there idea" I had over the weekend was create the capacity to GPS log waypoints to the crag and submit this data to the MP database. Let's say for example you pick an Area and show an Approach under the Getting There section. When one doesn't exist, then allow the user to log their approach. There's a lot of post processing that MP can do to knock down noise on the trails after a user submits their tracks.

Thanks for the hard work!


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By Isaac T.
From Rockville, MD
Jul 6, 2011
What an amazing place.

I've used it extensively since I downloaded build 11. No problems so far downloading areas, or stability during use.

One thing I noticed was that you have to select the photos to get them to download fully, if you download an area it should come with photos. It would be frustrating to get to the crag and realize that you forgot to open the topo photo before you left cell service. I know that would make download sizes humongous but maybe if you were able to breakdown areas further that would help. For example: instead of all of the Sierra Eastside you could just download the Buttermilks Country.

Overall though a solid app and 1 million times better then printing a mini guide and converting to PDF then exporting to a PDF reader on your iPhone!


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By yosenhuttle
Jul 7, 2011
Sail Away

Used it this weekend at Tahquitz and Suicide. Worked great. I am having an issue with getting updates. Most of my areas have no problems, but I'm getting "An import error occurred. Tap to retry" with San Bernardino Mountains, Yosemite, Needles/Kern River, and High Sierra. All of my other areas seem to be doing fine with the updates. This issue has been persistent for a day or so. If I delete the area and reinstall the area it works.

Other than that, it seems to be kind of a one-way read only app in its present state. A log in feature would be nice and also it would be great to be able to queue up pictures, ticks, comments, etc directly from the app in the future. I'm guessing those features will probably on the horizon, maybe release 2.0. It's a great app, appreciate the work you all are putting into it, nice job!

One other thing, it would be nice to be able to search once you are in an area


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By Ty Morrison-Heath
From Bozeman, MT
Jul 8, 2011
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Doing some beta testing on the new version of ios5 (beta 2) and it refuses to even load onto my iPhone 4. Says it is installing but then just stalls. Maybe something to look into. Could be beta 2 isn't ready for primetime as well, however most of my other apps work just fine.


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By Paige Marta
Jul 9, 2011

Sweet app. I'm using it on an iPad FYI. Suggestions:

1) It would be great to be able to see a state map where each area is located. For example, I am going to Tuscon and know nothing about Arizona. So I have to check every climbing area in the state to see if it is near Tuscon

2) I've been working with AZ, NM, TN, and NC. I didn't see gps coordinates for any of the climbing areas but I know some are on the full mp site.

3) I could not search within an area. For example, I'm headed to red rocks in the fall. I was looking for epinephrine and for single pitch sport routes such as those at the panty wall but I couldnt search within red rocks broadly to find more info since I didn't know the exact pullout/canyon/ area. I'd have to download everything within red rocks to find panty wall and epi.

4) ticks were useless to me at least.

Thanks!


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By Kevin Heckeler
From Upstate New York
Jul 9, 2011
Rumney

I'm liking the app so far. One suggestion would be to allow us to download ALL updates for our selected areas at once. I have a dozen areas and have to click on update on each area, wait for the download and update to apply, then proceed to the next area to update it.


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By Jeremy Bauman
From Lakewood, CO
Jul 10, 2011
Climbing the headwall of Second Comming

Kevin Heckeler wrote:
I'm liking the app so far. One suggestion would be to allow us to download ALL updates for our selected areas at once. I have a dozen areas and have to click on update on each area, wait for the download and update to apply, then proceed to the next area to update it.



^ this is something I've been thinking as well.


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By summer'n'rance hamaker
Jul 15, 2011
favorite past times

Isaac T. wrote:
I've used it extensively since I downloaded build 11. No problems so far downloading areas, or stability during use. One thing I noticed was that you have to select the photos to get them to download fully, if you download an area it should come with photos. It would be frustrating to get to the crag and realize that you forgot to open the topo photo before you left cell service. I know that would make download sizes humongous but maybe if you were able to breakdown areas further that would help. For example: instead of all of the Sierra Eastside you could just download the Buttermilks Country. Overall though a solid app and 1 million times better then printing a mini guide and converting to PDF then exporting to a PDF reader on your iPhone!


If we could limit the pictures to just the climbs or routes that would be nice. I don't think we need the one million butt shots or Jimmy doing the climb for the eighth time.


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By summer'n'rance hamaker
Jul 20, 2011
favorite past times

Is anyone else unable to pull up the app? I haven't been able to for a day now.


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