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By Nick Wilder
Site Landlord
From The Bubble
Jun 30, 2011
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This topic is primarily for those beta testing the iPhone mobile app. If you're one of those testers - tell us what you think!

This is specific to version 1.0 (build 11). If you have the prior version (build 10), install the update first! Beta testers should have received email instructions on this.

Don't forget to review our official plans here:
mountainproject.com/mobileApps...

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By mongoose
Jun 30, 2011
Just downloaded the app and it looks great. I downloaded all the Northern California locations when i opened it and they had downloaded with no problems except for Southern Sierra Foothills, which gave me an error. I clicked it again and it worked without a hitch.

Suggestion:
use GPS to find nearby climbing areas, much like the climbingweather.com app.

access to the forums

p.s. I am going to lovers leap with weekend and will post back on my experiences.

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By Cory
From Boise, ID
Jun 30, 2011
Relaxing in the Tuttle Creek Campground after a fun day in the Hills
This app looks great! I just downloaded it. First impression is that it's super intuitive to figure out, and the couple areas I've downloaded took only a few seconds and worked great. I like the google maps that locate the areas too.

One suggestion so far: I understand not wanting people to add photos, comments, forum posts, etc directly from their iphones in order to filter out half-ass posts, but it would be nice to be able to add ticks using the app and sinc them up once you are back in 3g range. These tend to be cyptic posts anyway due to charater limits, and it would be cool to put notes in while they are still fresh in your head. I'm not sure how tricky this would be to do, but it was the first idea that popped in my head while browsing the app layout.

BTW, I also like how it downloads low-res version of the photos (to save space), and only downloads hi-res versions of the ones you click on. I'm stoke to take this out to the rocks!

  • Edit to say that if you do add tickability to the app, you may as well permit star rating and grading too.

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By Ty Harlacker
From Albuquerque, NM
Jun 30, 2011
Silverton
Nick, do you need any help with the Android side? I can design the layouts(xml) and do some of the Java. Do you guys have a github set up?

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By Robert 560
From The Land of the Lost
Jun 30, 2011
Secret Crag
Just downloaded the update and all went smoothly. Right off I noticed the accelerometer now works with pictures, Love it!

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By dameeser
From denver
Jun 30, 2011
Vanagon
Hey guys, no problems with the download and none with the app as of yet. I will most likely take it to the south platte this weekend.

It would be nice to be able to download all of the "hi-res" photos for each area at once. While I love the idea of saving space some low res photos are useless unless you can view them at a higher res.

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By mountainmicah83
From Colorado Springs
Jun 30, 2011
Kit Carson
If you exit the app, anything you were in the middle of downloading pauses and you have to restart the download when you open back up the app. It would be nice if it either kept downloadong after you closed the app or resumed where it left off when you open it back up.

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By mountainmicah83
From Colorado Springs
Jun 30, 2011
Kit Carson
You can't access other areas while you are waiting on your downloads. The error message comes up "Unable to access datastore. If you are currently installing or updating an area, access will be restored as soon as teh install finishes.

This won't be a big deal if you just download one area when you need it but I guarantee folks will want to download all of their favorite crags right off the bat and experience this.

Also- Where is the ticklist? How cool would it be to add a route to your ticklist right there when you climb it? Of course you would have to have a way for it to sync with the site and update occasionally.

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By saxfiend
Administrator
From Decatur, GA
Jun 30, 2011
Relaxing at the P1 belay of Fruit Loops at Rumbling Bald.
mountainmicah83 wrote:
You can't access other areas while you are waiting on your downloads. The error message comes up "Unable to access datastore. If you are currently installing or updating an area, access will be restored as soon as teh install finishes. This won't be a big deal if you just download one area when you need it but I guarantee folks will want to download all of their favorite crags right off the bat and experience this.

Wow. And I thought I was impatient.

JL

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By saxfiend
Administrator
From Decatur, GA
Jun 30, 2011
Relaxing at the P1 belay of Fruit Loops at Rumbling Bald.
I've loaded the new version and am seeing several improvements:

  • new button to check for updates.
  • navigation to main area while viewing a route or from search.
  • photos can be seen in portrait and landscape.
  • "see all" button while viewing individual photos.

Generally, the app seems to respond quicker and download new areas faster. I've not experienced any glitches or crashes so far.

It would still be nice to have climbing log and ticklist features as are incorporated in the RRG and Joshua Tree iPhone guides.

Looks like this is just about ready for prime time! Good work!

JL

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By Daniel_L
From Orem, UT
Jul 1, 2011
Climbing the umbilical cord, the bolt just to my left was a spinner. Two really deep holds right there but they sound so hollow.
Finally got it downloaded, and I just need to say that I love it. I needed to say that before I start mentioning a couple things I found odd.

1st: While downloading the Wasatch range the staus bar never moved I sat there watching it for about 5 min and it never moved. So I backed out and went right back in and it said it was installed. Don't know if it was my phone or what but the other two area's I downloaded didn't do that.

2nd: It would be really nice if there was a way to sort or filter by type of route (i.e. sport, trad, etc.) It's kind of a pain to have to go into each route to see what it is. If not then maybe list with the route name list under the area.

I'm taking it climbing tomorrow and the rest of the weekend. I'll post anything else I find....good or bad.

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By mountainmicah83
From Colorado Springs
Jul 1, 2011
Kit Carson
saxfiend wrote:
Wow. And I thought I was impatient. JL


haha. Ok, i did come out with negatives right away. Before I sound like a sour puss, I should say that I really like what is involved within the app and that you can download areas and that they are left to right and the mapping feature plus many of the many great mountain project features. I can't wait to use it at the crags in the very near future and provide some more feedback.

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By summer'n'rance hamaker
Jul 1, 2011
favorite past times
I'm onboard with those that want to sign in to tick routes but not have forums. I'd like to be able to rate climbs and maybe have a spot to flag climbs i'd like to do when I get there. that way i'd have a few warm-ups in mind and know exactly where to go after. i'm a little OCD when it comes to planning...

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By Nick Faust
From Sandy, UT
Jul 1, 2011
Bushwhack Crack
I used the app yesterday up in the Wasatch. As of yet, no bugs to report. Great job guys, I am impressed! I second that it would be nice to sort by route type (trad, sport, etc). Unlike Daniel, when I downloaded the Wasatch, the status bar worked fine.

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By saxfiend
Administrator
From Decatur, GA
Jul 1, 2011
Relaxing at the P1 belay of Fruit Loops at Rumbling Bald.
summer'n'rance hamaker wrote:
I'm onboard with those that want to sign in to tick routes but not have forums. I'd like to be able to rate climbs and maybe have a spot to flag climbs i'd like to do when I get there. that way i'd have a few warm-ups in mind and know exactly where to go after. i'm a little OCD when it comes to planning...

Since this app is designed to be used offline, I think incorporating a log and ticklist feature would be more useful than having to sign in to log your climbs or add to your ticklist on the actual MP site (which you probably won't be able to get to from the crag anyway). If you want to see how this works, you can download the "lite" version of the Red River Gorge or Joshua Tree iPhone guide.

JL

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By Dean Raynes
Jul 1, 2011
Me leading up the last pitch on Center Thumb
First I'm super stoked on this app. I'm excited to use it in the canyon. Real user friendly right from the start. But I also would like to see a way to search/filter to find routes that fit ur style and grade. I also like to see the length of the route in the info area.

I will report back when I use it outside this weekend.

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By Cory
From Boise, ID
Jul 1, 2011
Relaxing in the Tuttle Creek Campground after a fun day in the Hills
Downloaded some more areas. Still no bugs. LA county took only about 20 seconds to dl over 3G!

One other idea, it would be nice to be able to download your todo list from mp...

Thanks for the great app!

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By Jeremy Bauman
From Lakewood, CO
Jul 1, 2011
Climbing the headwall of Second Comming
The app works great!
So far I've noticed a few things that I like/dis-like.
Things I like...
1. I love the fact that it downloads low-res photos with the option of uploading high res ones
2. I like the navigation through all the areas
3. I love the fact that you get all the comments as well as the description


Things it needs...
1. It needs a search feature that can help me find out which area a climb is in. For instance, if I wanted to climb "Epinephrine" I should be able to find it even if Red Rocks wasn't a downloaded area.
2. It should be tied closely to the gps of the iphone to help find crags and indifidual climbs. It would be cool to pair it with some sort of topo softwear.
3. I would love to be able to tick and rate climbs.
4. I would also like to be able to see a map containing all the areas. For instance, if I travel out of town and am unfamiliar with the local crags, I'd like to be able to see a map of the state and download the crags that are close to the city I'm in.
5. I would like the option of downloading all the high-res photos when downloading an area.
6. I would like a "best routes for you" feature to help find the climbs that I would like to do in an unfamiliar area
7. It also needs to be able to have the option to sort routes by grade as well as L-R/R-L and alpha.
8. Though I like the fact that you can see where the crag is on a map, I should be able to get driving directions through the google maps app just by clicking on the pin.

That's about all I can think of at the moment. I'll keep using it and keep thinking about it. overall I'm very impressed and I absolutely love the app!

Jeremy

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By Andy Laakmann
Site Landlord
From Bend, OR
Jul 1, 2011
Racked and loaded... name that splitter behind me? Hint, its on Supercrack Buttress
There is a search function. Top of the main page. It only searches your installed areas though.

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By Jeremy Kasmann
From Denver, CO
Jul 1, 2011
dameeser wrote:
It would be nice to be able to download all of the "hi-res" photos for each area at once. While I love the idea of saving space some low res photos are useless unless you can view them at a higher res.


+1, a high res option would be nice.

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By mworst03
Jul 1, 2011
So far the app works great. I wasn't a round 1 tester so no comparison ability there. No downloading issues and most of the routes that I've used/looked at have not had any issues with layout. The app is very intuitive to use and everything loaded relatively quickly when in a 3G area.

Two ideas that others have mentioned.

1. I'd really like the ability to tick with the tick mark comments and add a rating. Completely agree with not allowing comments/forum posts. Another side thought to this could simply be having an integrated notepad like function for each route where you can write gear used, who climbed with, beta info etc. That way it doesn't clutter the main site and doesn't ruin anyone elses experience if they want to climb beta free. Mostly right now I mark in the margins of a guidebook or a note pad for that, but this could eliminate that.

2. Given that so much of NC is remote with a poor cell signal the ability to download all photos before heading out would be nice if the goal is to have full guidebook level functionality in the field. Perhaps there could be a cache or temporary folder that has a maximum amount of photo sizes downloaded or you could click a series of downloaded areas and allow only those areas to pick photos for example (download all photos for Linville Gorge Table Rock) so it doesn't eat up too much memory. Not to sure as most of the NC sites have few photos, but if you go to Red Rocks there are 500 photos.

Giving it another field test run this weekend, but so far great work.

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By Nick Faust
From Sandy, UT
Jul 1, 2011
Bushwhack Crack
I might suggest putting the "Search My Areas" next to "My Areas" and either move the "Download Areas" to the top or bottom of the main menu. At least the way my brain works, I thought I was searching for new areas to download, instead of searching for what I had already downloaded.

Overkill I know, but I had a minute and did the switch in photoshop for illustration. I also moved the search under "My Areas".


suggestion
suggestion

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By Nick Wilder
Site Landlord
From The Bubble
Jul 1, 2011
Personal Photo
Nick Faust wrote:
I might suggest putting the "Search My Areas" next to "My Areas" and either move the "Download Areas" to the top or bottom of the main menu. At least the way my brain works, I thought I was searching for new areas to download, instead of searching for what I had already downloaded. Overkill I know, but I had a minute and did the switch in photoshop for illustration. I also moved the search under "My Areas".


Now you've got me wondering if the "Download Areas" button should be below everything? Once you've installed a bunch of areas, you won't use that button much, so perhaps it doesn't deserve the top placement...

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By Nick Faust
From Sandy, UT
Jul 1, 2011
Bushwhack Crack
^^ Bottom would make the most amount of sense I think. Also, in preparation for the release of iOS 5 "cut the cord" concept, it might be useful to place a link to the website in the app.

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By saxfiend
Administrator
From Decatur, GA
Jul 1, 2011
Relaxing at the P1 belay of Fruit Loops at Rumbling Bald.
Nick Wilder wrote:
Now you've got me wondering if the "Download Areas" button should be below everything? Once you've installed a bunch of areas, you won't use that button much, so perhaps it doesn't deserve the top placement...

I think that's a good idea. Alternatively, you could make the "download" link a small button alongside the "edit" and "updates" buttons.

JL

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By l.m.
From Salt Lake City, UT
Jul 1, 2011
The app is great. I'm really excited about it. Here are my suggestions (all have already been mentioned):

1) I want to be able to search by route type. (Trad/Sport/Boulder/etc.) It's kind of tiresome to have to click on each route.
2) A to-do list separated by area. For example, this weekend I'm climbing in Logan and Ogden, UT and I want to be able to create a list for each area.
3) Be able to exit the app and have the areas continue to download.
4) Integrate with google maps app.

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