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This topic is primarily for those beta testing the iPhone mobile app. If you're one of those testers - tell us what you think!

This is specific to version 1.0 (build 11). If you have the prior version (build 10), install the update first! Beta testers should have received email instructions on this.

Don't forget to review our official plans here:
mountainproject.com/mobileApps...
Nick Wilder
From The Bubble
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Jun 30, 2011
Just downloaded the app and it looks great. I downloaded all the Northern California locations when i opened it and they had downloaded with no problems except for Southern Sierra Foothills, which gave me an error. I clicked it again and it worked without a hitch.

Suggestion:
use GPS to find nearby climbing areas, much like the climbingweather.com app.

access to the forums

p.s. I am going to lovers leap with weekend and will post back on my experiences.
mongoose
Joined May 23, 2010
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Jun 30, 2011
Relaxing in the Tuttle Creek Campground after a fu...
This app looks great! I just downloaded it. First impression is that it's super intuitive to figure out, and the couple areas I've downloaded took only a few seconds and worked great. I like the google maps that locate the areas too.

One suggestion so far: I understand not wanting people to add photos, comments, forum posts, etc directly from their iphones in order to filter out half-ass posts, but it would be nice to be able to add ticks using the app and sinc them up once you are back in 3g range. These tend to be cyptic posts anyway due to charater limits, and it would be cool to put notes in while they are still fresh in your head. I'm not sure how tricky this would be to do, but it was the first idea that popped in my head while browsing the app layout.

BTW, I also like how it downloads low-res version of the photos (to save space), and only downloads hi-res versions of the ones you click on. I'm stoke to take this out to the rocks!

  • Edit to say that if you do add tickability to the app, you may as well permit star rating and grading too.
Cory
From Boise, ID
Joined Mar 25, 2008
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Jun 30, 2011
Silverton
Nick, do you need any help with the Android side? I can design the layouts(xml) and do some of the Java. Do you guys have a github set up? Ty Harlacker
From Albuquerque, NM
Joined Mar 2, 2008
211 points
Jun 30, 2011
Secret Crag
Just downloaded the update and all went smoothly. Right off I noticed the accelerometer now works with pictures, Love it! Robert 560
From The Land of the Lost
Joined Mar 28, 2008
597 points
Jun 30, 2011
Vanagon
Hey guys, no problems with the download and none with the app as of yet. I will most likely take it to the south platte this weekend.

It would be nice to be able to download all of the "hi-res" photos for each area at once. While I love the idea of saving space some low res photos are useless unless you can view them at a higher res.
dameeser
From denver
Joined Sep 1, 2009
170 points
Jun 30, 2011
Kit Carson
If you exit the app, anything you were in the middle of downloading pauses and you have to restart the download when you open back up the app. It would be nice if it either kept downloadong after you closed the app or resumed where it left off when you open it back up. mountainmicah83
From Colorado Springs
Joined Apr 10, 2009
288 points
Jun 30, 2011
Kit Carson
You can't access other areas while you are waiting on your downloads. The error message comes up "Unable to access datastore. If you are currently installing or updating an area, access will be restored as soon as teh install finishes.

This won't be a big deal if you just download one area when you need it but I guarantee folks will want to download all of their favorite crags right off the bat and experience this.

Also- Where is the ticklist? How cool would it be to add a route to your ticklist right there when you climb it? Of course you would have to have a way for it to sync with the site and update occasionally.
mountainmicah83
From Colorado Springs
Joined Apr 10, 2009
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Jun 30, 2011
Relaxing at the P1 belay of Fruit Loops at Rumblin...
mountainmicah83 wrote:
You can't access other areas while you are waiting on your downloads. The error message comes up "Unable to access datastore. If you are currently installing or updating an area, access will be restored as soon as teh install finishes. This won't be a big deal if you just download one area when you need it but I guarantee folks will want to download all of their favorite crags right off the bat and experience this.

Wow. And I thought I was impatient.

JL
saxfiend
From Decatur, GA
Joined Nov 14, 2006
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Jun 30, 2011
Relaxing at the P1 belay of Fruit Loops at Rumblin...
I've loaded the new version and am seeing several improvements:

  • new button to check for updates.
  • navigation to main area while viewing a route or from search.
  • photos can be seen in portrait and landscape.
  • "see all" button while viewing individual photos.

Generally, the app seems to respond quicker and download new areas faster. I've not experienced any glitches or crashes so far.

It would still be nice to have climbing log and ticklist features as are incorporated in the RRG and Joshua Tree iPhone guides.

Looks like this is just about ready for prime time! Good work!

JL
saxfiend
From Decatur, GA
Joined Nov 14, 2006
4,571 points
Jul 1, 2011
Climbing the umbilical cord, the bolt just to my l...
Finally got it downloaded, and I just need to say that I love it. I needed to say that before I start mentioning a couple things I found odd.

1st: While downloading the Wasatch range the staus bar never moved I sat there watching it for about 5 min and it never moved. So I backed out and went right back in and it said it was installed. Don't know if it was my phone or what but the other two area's I downloaded didn't do that.

2nd: It would be really nice if there was a way to sort or filter by type of route (i.e. sport, trad, etc.) It's kind of a pain to have to go into each route to see what it is. If not then maybe list with the route name list under the area.

I'm taking it climbing tomorrow and the rest of the weekend. I'll post anything else I find....good or bad.
Daniel_L
From Orem, UT
Joined Dec 19, 2010
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Jul 1, 2011
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saxfiend wrote:
Wow. And I thought I was impatient. JL


haha. Ok, i did come out with negatives right away. Before I sound like a sour puss, I should say that I really like what is involved within the app and that you can download areas and that they are left to right and the mapping feature plus many of the many great mountain project features. I can't wait to use it at the crags in the very near future and provide some more feedback.
mountainmicah83
From Colorado Springs
Joined Apr 10, 2009
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Jul 1, 2011
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I'm onboard with those that want to sign in to tick routes but not have forums. I'd like to be able to rate climbs and maybe have a spot to flag climbs i'd like to do when I get there. that way i'd have a few warm-ups in mind and know exactly where to go after. i'm a little OCD when it comes to planning... summer'n'rance hamaker
Joined Aug 1, 2009
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Jul 1, 2011
Bushwhack Crack
I used the app yesterday up in the Wasatch. As of yet, no bugs to report. Great job guys, I am impressed! I second that it would be nice to sort by route type (trad, sport, etc). Unlike Daniel, when I downloaded the Wasatch, the status bar worked fine. Nick Faust
From Sandy, UT
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Jul 1, 2011
Relaxing at the P1 belay of Fruit Loops at Rumblin...
summer'n'rance hamaker wrote:
I'm onboard with those that want to sign in to tick routes but not have forums. I'd like to be able to rate climbs and maybe have a spot to flag climbs i'd like to do when I get there. that way i'd have a few warm-ups in mind and know exactly where to go after. i'm a little OCD when it comes to planning...

Since this app is designed to be used offline, I think incorporating a log and ticklist feature would be more useful than having to sign in to log your climbs or add to your ticklist on the actual MP site (which you probably won't be able to get to from the crag anyway). If you want to see how this works, you can download the "lite" version of the Red River Gorge or Joshua Tree iPhone guide.

JL
saxfiend
From Decatur, GA
Joined Nov 14, 2006
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Me leading up the last pitch on Center Thumb
First I'm super stoked on this app. I'm excited to use it in the canyon. Real user friendly right from the start. But I also would like to see a way to search/filter to find routes that fit ur style and grade. I also like to see the length of the route in the info area.

I will report back when I use it outside this weekend.
Dean Raynes
From Salt Lake City, Utah
Joined Jun 20, 2009
81 points
Jul 1, 2011
Relaxing in the Tuttle Creek Campground after a fu...
Downloaded some more areas. Still no bugs. LA county took only about 20 seconds to dl over 3G!

One other idea, it would be nice to be able to download your todo list from mp...

Thanks for the great app!
Cory
From Boise, ID
Joined Mar 25, 2008
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Jul 1, 2011
My buddy Andy and I making the best of the day aft...
The app works great!
So far I've noticed a few things that I like/dis-like.
Things I like...
1. I love the fact that it downloads low-res photos with the option of uploading high res ones
2. I like the navigation through all the areas
3. I love the fact that you get all the comments as well as the description


Things it needs...
1. It needs a search feature that can help me find out which area a climb is in. For instance, if I wanted to climb "Epinephrine" I should be able to find it even if Red Rocks wasn't a downloaded area.
2. It should be tied closely to the gps of the iphone to help find crags and indifidual climbs. It would be cool to pair it with some sort of topo softwear.
3. I would love to be able to tick and rate climbs.
4. I would also like to be able to see a map containing all the areas. For instance, if I travel out of town and am unfamiliar with the local crags, I'd like to be able to see a map of the state and download the crags that are close to the city I'm in.
5. I would like the option of downloading all the high-res photos when downloading an area.
6. I would like a "best routes for you" feature to help find the climbs that I would like to do in an unfamiliar area
7. It also needs to be able to have the option to sort routes by grade as well as L-R/R-L and alpha.
8. Though I like the fact that you can see where the crag is on a map, I should be able to get driving directions through the google maps app just by clicking on the pin.

That's about all I can think of at the moment. I'll keep using it and keep thinking about it. overall I'm very impressed and I absolutely love the app!

Jeremy
Jeremy Bauman
From Lakewood, CO
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Jul 1, 2011
Racked and loaded... name that splitter behind me?...
There is a search function. Top of the main page. It only searches your installed areas though. Andy Laakmann
From Bend, OR
Joined Jan 1, 2001
2,411 points
Jul 1, 2011
dameeser wrote:
It would be nice to be able to download all of the "hi-res" photos for each area at once. While I love the idea of saving space some low res photos are useless unless you can view them at a higher res.


+1, a high res option would be nice.
Jeremy Kasmann
From Denver, CO
Joined Nov 21, 2007
4 points
Jul 1, 2011
So far the app works great. I wasn't a round 1 tester so no comparison ability there. No downloading issues and most of the routes that I've used/looked at have not had any issues with layout. The app is very intuitive to use and everything loaded relatively quickly when in a 3G area.

Two ideas that others have mentioned.

1. I'd really like the ability to tick with the tick mark comments and add a rating. Completely agree with not allowing comments/forum posts. Another side thought to this could simply be having an integrated notepad like function for each route where you can write gear used, who climbed with, beta info etc. That way it doesn't clutter the main site and doesn't ruin anyone elses experience if they want to climb beta free. Mostly right now I mark in the margins of a guidebook or a note pad for that, but this could eliminate that.

2. Given that so much of NC is remote with a poor cell signal the ability to download all photos before heading out would be nice if the goal is to have full guidebook level functionality in the field. Perhaps there could be a cache or temporary folder that has a maximum amount of photo sizes downloaded or you could click a series of downloaded areas and allow only those areas to pick photos for example (download all photos for Linville Gorge Table Rock) so it doesn't eat up too much memory. Not to sure as most of the NC sites have few photos, but if you go to Red Rocks there are 500 photos.

Giving it another field test run this weekend, but so far great work.
mworst03
Joined Oct 31, 2010
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Jul 1, 2011
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I might suggest putting the "Search My Areas" next to "My Areas" and either move the "Download Areas" to the top or bottom of the main menu. At least the way my brain works, I thought I was searching for new areas to download, instead of searching for what I had already downloaded.

Overkill I know, but I had a minute and did the switch in photoshop for illustration. I also moved the search under "My Areas".


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Nick Faust
From Sandy, UT
Joined Jun 9, 2007
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Jul 1, 2011
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Nick Faust wrote:
I might suggest putting the "Search My Areas" next to "My Areas" and either move the "Download Areas" to the top or bottom of the main menu. At least the way my brain works, I thought I was searching for new areas to download, instead of searching for what I had already downloaded. Overkill I know, but I had a minute and did the switch in photoshop for illustration. I also moved the search under "My Areas".


Now you've got me wondering if the "Download Areas" button should be below everything? Once you've installed a bunch of areas, you won't use that button much, so perhaps it doesn't deserve the top placement...
Nick Wilder
From The Bubble
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Jul 1, 2011
Bushwhack Crack
^^ Bottom would make the most amount of sense I think. Also, in preparation for the release of iOS 5 "cut the cord" concept, it might be useful to place a link to the website in the app. Nick Faust
From Sandy, UT
Joined Jun 9, 2007
16 points
Administrator
Jul 1, 2011
Relaxing at the P1 belay of Fruit Loops at Rumblin...
Nick Wilder wrote:
Now you've got me wondering if the "Download Areas" button should be below everything? Once you've installed a bunch of areas, you won't use that button much, so perhaps it doesn't deserve the top placement...

I think that's a good idea. Alternatively, you could make the "download" link a small button alongside the "edit" and "updates" buttons.

JL
saxfiend
From Decatur, GA
Joined Nov 14, 2006
4,571 points
Jul 1, 2011
The app is great. I'm really excited about it. Here are my suggestions (all have already been mentioned):

1) I want to be able to search by route type. (Trad/Sport/Boulder/etc.) It's kind of tiresome to have to click on each route.
2) A to-do list separated by area. For example, this weekend I'm climbing in Logan and Ogden, UT and I want to be able to create a list for each area.
3) Be able to exit the app and have the areas continue to download.
4) Integrate with google maps app.
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