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By Ross Young
From Columbus, OH
Mar 27, 2013
lowering off count floyd show red river gorge

Hi all,

I am graduating from architecture school here in a couple of months and I am trying to find a job that fits my interest set. I am an avid climber and have been thinking that working for a company that builds rock walls would be a perfect fit for me. I have heard of Eldo Walls in Boulder and Rockwerx over in MA, but I was just wondering if anyone had any good ideas on other places that I could think of looking into. Any help would be much appreciated!

Ross


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By rock_fencer
From Columbia, SC
Mar 27, 2013
Myself placing a a blue/yellow offset MC to protect between Bolt 2/3 just post crux . <br /> <br />Picture credit goes to eric Singleton, and many thanks to Josh Bagget for the great belay.

email the guys at Entreprises, i dont remember the name of their architect guy but he was super nice last time i worked with him.


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By Liberty
Mar 27, 2013
Me

Why not start your own company? Be innovative and fresh, hey design radical climbimg holds or walls and go try to sell your product to gyms around the country. I would like to see more realistic crack moulds out there.


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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Mar 27, 2013

Vertical Solutions (SLC area), Walltopia (not sure where or if they have a stateside crew or if they hire outside contractors...i'm guessing they have a stateside setup by now, though)

Also, alot of gyms build their own walls, hiring designers and consultants for design, then local help for welding and such. I know the Touchstone gyms build their own walls as well.

@Liberty- the reason you dont see alot of cracks in gyms is because, for the most part, they are a waste of expensive wall space. (They cost 2-3x per foot what regular wall does and the number of climbers who use them is a tiny tiny fraction of your regular customer base).


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By Zac Robinson
From Salt Lake City, UT
Mar 27, 2013
Me in the Black Canyon.  Checking out a stopper.

vertical solutions in SLC seems to be staying pretty busy and has a few big projects coming up.

www.boulderinggyms.com/


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By Liberty
Mar 27, 2013
Me

John Wilder wrote:
Vertical Solutions (SLC area), Walltopia (not sure where or if they have a stateside crew or if they hire outside contractors...i'm guessing they have a stateside setup by now, though) Also, alot of gyms build their own walls, hiring designers and consultants for design, then local help for welding and such. I know the Touchstone gyms build their own walls as well. @Liberty- the reason you dont see alot of cracks in gyms is because, for the most part, they are a waste of expensive wall space. (They cost 2-3x per foot what regular wall does and the number of climbers who use them is a tiny tiny fraction of your regular customer base).

Moveable crack moulds that go on the inside of the crack to create flares, featured cracks and bottlenecks.


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By Liberty
Mar 27, 2013
Me

Liberty wrote:
Moveable crack moulds that go on the inside of the crack to create flares, featured cracks and bottlenecks.

...and thats what is missing in gyms!


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By NorCalNomad
From San Francisco
Mar 27, 2013

Sucks for you troll. PGSF has 2 sets of moveable cracks (4 total), 5.7 crack, 2 5.9 cracks, 3 5.10 cracks, 4 5.11 cracks, 5.13+/5.14 overhanging fingers, and 2 OW's 5.10 and 5.11


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By Liberty
Mar 27, 2013
Me

NorCalNomad wrote:
Sucks for you troll. PGSF has 2 sets of moveable cracks (4 total), 5.7 crack, 2 5.9 cracks, 3 5.10 cracks, 4 5.11 cracks, 5.13+/5.14 overhanging fingers, and 2 OW's 5.10 and 5.11

So do they have them at the gyms? I never saw them anywhere. Maybe they are problematic in some way. Why dont people buy them?


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By Liberty
Mar 27, 2013
Me

Yea people have to have more access to good realistic cracks at the gyms, not the slimy uniformal wood stuff. Makes you a better trad leader to say the least..


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By Liberty
Mar 27, 2013
Me

I hate gym cracks!


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By Dan Brockway
From Boulder
Mar 27, 2013

Ya, go to Vegas and get a job rigging. Housing is very cheap there and the climbing at Red Rocks is fantastic.


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By scott cooney
From La Casa Taco
Mar 27, 2013
11th hour of the Sundial

"Vertical Solutions (SLC area), Walltopia (not sure where or if they have a stateside crew or if they hire outside contractors...i'm guessing they have a stateside setup by now, though) Also, alot of gyms build their own walls, hiring designers and consultants for design, then local help for welding and such. "

not sure why the above didn't quote properly
VS has a crew of regulars that travel from job to job while at the same time hire out of the local workforce too. Big thing to get on with VS is they like jack of all type builders that are VERY strong in all phases of building, and they expect quality results. to be hired on as a regular you have to be worth not only your wage with a boatload of overtime but temp housing when working on the road, and honestly their starting wage is well above standard for construction type work right now.


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By SteveBSU
From Muncie, IN
Mar 27, 2013

Check in with the climbing wall assocciation. Thats what I have done in search for a Construction Management internship.


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By Brian Hudson
From Greenville, SC
Mar 28, 2013
Valor Over Discretion (5.8), RRG

Liberty wrote:
I would like to see more realistic crack moulds out there.

Liberty wrote:
Moveable crack moulds that go on the inside of the crack to create flares, featured cracks and bottlenecks.

Liberty wrote:
...and thats what is missing in gyms!

Liberty wrote:
I hate gym cracks!

seriously. wtf.


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By Liberty
Mar 28, 2013
Me

Brian Hudson wrote:
seriously. wtf.

The reason why I hate gym cracks is them being featureless and fake. I don't like the pain and my biggest problem right now is consistent crack climbs. If the manufacturers came up with interesting crack features and gyms would implement them, it would diversify gym training nicely. We also need more flakes and laybacks. I don't understand why not find an ultraclassic and try to replicate it in a gym environment? ...I'm hoping to spend a lot of time outside practicing this summer though, gym time reserved for work days and bad weather days only.


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By Brian Hudson
From Greenville, SC
Mar 28, 2013
Valor Over Discretion (5.8), RRG

Liberty wrote:
I don't understand why not find an ultraclassic and try to replicate it in a gym environment?

Knock yourself out. Can't wait to see what you come up with!


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By Liberty
Mar 28, 2013
Me

I set one route in my life and it had a bunch of gaston moves, reminiscent of a climb I did at Independence Pass. People at the gym said it was awful and too hard for the grade...10 b started with an undercling, involved a bunch of opposition and body tension. i was told it's lacking the "triangle" that needs to exist in all set gym routes. Are there triangles outside? I found out first hand that setting is not easy, but if I ever set, all my routes would be inspired by real rock existing routes.


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By NorCalNomad
From San Francisco
Mar 28, 2013


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By IronMan
Mar 28, 2013

NorCalNomad wrote:




+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000


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By Liberty
Mar 28, 2013
Me

yea yea yea, and on subject:.....good luck man, hope you get to design the awesomest new age climbing walls for all of us to enjoy!


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By Brian Hudson
From Greenville, SC
Mar 28, 2013
Valor Over Discretion (5.8), RRG

NorCalNomad wrote:

YES. haha


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By NorCalNomad
From San Francisco
Mar 28, 2013

Ross what kind of architecture are you looking to do? More on the engineering side or more on the artistic design side?


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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Mar 28, 2013
Stabby

Liberty wrote:
People at the gym said it was awful and too hard for the grade...

I hate routes that are too hard for the grade. I wonder if anyone will ever devise a solution to these tragic situations.


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By Liberty
Mar 28, 2013
Me

do you remember The Gastonian? Maybe too early for your time..I recon I put it up just as RJ2 opened and they let people just put up routes for fun...The problem in Colorado is that the gym grades do not reflect the outdoor grades (especially Movement) That is a fact!


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By Liberty
Mar 28, 2013
Me

that's true! In nursing it's the same: you need to work "the floor" for a year at least to kinda figure out where you want to go career wise.
In crack climbing, some people have the hands and feet for it and some don't. My forte is overhungs. I love that stuff! But crack climbing skills are essential to get up routes. Training on sleek jam or die cracks can be discouraging to people like myself , who have to tape even on the gym cracks. Maybe the cracks are more expensive to maintain at the gyms, but some gyms use their handholds for years and years without wven scrubbing them clean off rubber. I think most gyms cater to kids and sport climbers thus making cracks triciary and totally neglect this huge area of strength building for people who are into outdoor and trad climbing.


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