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Return to Forever 

YDS: 5.9+ French: 5c Ewbanks: 17 UIAA: VI ZA: 17 British: E1 5a

Type:  Trad, 95'
Consensus:  YDS: 5.9 French: 5c Ewbanks: 17 UIAA: VI ZA: 17 British: HVS 5a [details]
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Submitted By: Matthew Fienup on Jul 25, 2007

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BETA PHOTO: At the pin (crux)


More classic stemming & laybacking! A terrific linkup with Old Town.

From the Old Town ledge, climb straight up through an awkward V-shaped slot to reach the clean, left-facing corner. Stem and layback your way to the top.


Located directly above the Old Town Ledge.

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Tiny to small cams and nuts. One piton. Bolted top anchor with rappel rings.

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Rappelling from the fixed anchor atop Return to Fo...
Rappelling from the fixed anchor atop Return to Fo...
Mike Z after crux
Mike Z after crux
Just past the crux. Buckets await. Amazing stemmin...
Just past the crux. Buckets await. Amazing stemmin...

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By Matthew Fienup
From: Ventura, CA
Jul 25, 2007

After climbing both Emigrant Crack (5.10b) and Connecticut Crack (5.11a) clean, this one still spit me out of the crux dihedral. Additionally, gear was strenuous to place.

Do not underestimate this route given the modest grade.
By Phil Persson
From: Denver, Colorado
Sep 28, 2009
rating: 5.9+ 5c 17 VI 17 E1 5a

What a great route.... agreed with Mr. Fienup, there are some slightly devious/tricky moves, but great pro [small cams and rp's], beatuful rock, and fantastic location make this one of the best routes I have done anywhere for it's grade. Very highly reccomended!!
By afh
From: Keene Valley, NY
Apr 6, 2010

The pin is gone. Plenty of other protection possibilities.
By Andrew Mertens
From: Bay Area, CA
Jun 30, 2010

The pin's there as of 6-24-10.
By Michael Z.
Aug 16, 2011
rating: 5.9- 5c 17 VI 16 HVS 4c

Wow Fabulous! Linked up with Old Town for my first route at Acadia, So Good!
By S. Neoh
Aug 16, 2011
rating: 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a

Congrats, you certainly chose some of the finest to get started on Acadia! I really enjoyed the location of and scenery from this route. I am almost sure it was my 1st 5.9 trad lead too many years ago so it is also special to me in that way.

Old Town was very busy the day I decided to get on this route so I did P1 of Gunklandia, then a little scramble/runout to the left on easy ground in order to get to the start of RTF. A little sneaky but I got the job done! :)
By Peter Lewis
From: Bridgton, Maine
Sep 15, 2014
rating: 5.9 5c 17 VI 17 HVS 5a

The pin is still at the crux as of 9.13.14, although it doesn't matter: you can get gear anywhere you want. Stunning pitch, with great moves, gear, and reasonable stances, and one burly little crux. And, like so many Acadia routes, a jug awaits. One of the best things about Acadia is that if you can get yourself to the top of this part of the cliff (e.g., via Story of O, perhaps) and you're a middle-aged guy who doesn't train or get out enough anymore (like me), you can just wander around dropping the rope down so many great last pitches: this route, Michael's Pin, Birch Aid, Emigrant Crack, Chitlin Corner, Green Mt., Sea Gypsy, etc. It's a .9/.10 mileage bonanza!
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