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Mar 16, 2012
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Hey all,

I'm in the process of working up some draft signage related to rock climbing at North Table Mountain. The signage will be directed at the non-climbing public and will be something of a "Top 10" list of things not to do around climbing areas for both the safety of climbers and non-climbers alike. It will also be an effort to limit conflict between climbers and non-climbers. Some obvious things come to mind like, "don't throw objects off of cliffs", but I'm looking for input from the community as a whole in regards to what you might want to convey to the non-climbing public. Any input is appreciated, and I fully expect a little jocularity, but keeping it on topic would be appreciated as I fully intend to implement good suggestions.

Thanks for your time,

Mike Morin
Park Ranger
Jefferson County Open Space
Mike Morin
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Mar 16, 2012
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-Please do not urinate at the base of the cliffs.
-Please do not walk around at the edge of the cliff. You may kick loose rocks on to those below.
Tom R
From Denver, CO
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Mar 16, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Pea...
  • dubstep is not allowed
  • three 8 oz beer limit at brewery tour
Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Joined Jan 1, 2001
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Mar 16, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Pea...
Put in a warning about not climbing without the proper gear and instruction, etc. Stich
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Mar 16, 2012
One thing that would be good to put out there is to pack out/pick up your trash (e.g. toilet paper). Maybe it's the wind blowing things around. There seems to be a correlation with the increase in non-climber traffic and more trash evident, though certainly some belong to climbers, too.

Some of the interaction issues that I have seen have been related to the narrow/limited space where folks walk and climbers set up near the base of climbs. We climbers have gotten used to being the dominant user group up there. We've gotten used to yelling climbing commands, cleaning off routes, leaving stuff lying around, and having our dogs run around off leash. I'm not sure how to approach this, but having some understanding about different user groups having different needs/behaviors might be useful.

FWIW, I think telling non-climbers not to pee at the base of cliffs will not be well taken, since we climbers tend to pee within a short distance of the base of the cliffs.
Leo Paik
From Westminster, Colorado
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Mar 16, 2012
At the BRC
Don't take fixed gear (ie bolt hangers.) Mark E Dixon
From Sprezzatura, Someday
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Mar 17, 2012
Lincoln Lake
Great input guys, thanks. Keep 'em coming if you have any more that come to mind. Mike Morin
From On the Road
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Mar 17, 2012
"ROCK!!" means something is falling, so look out.

If you do knock something off the top of a climbing area, yell "ROCK!!"

(This might not be warranted at Table, the routes are so short by the time you hear it, it's already on the ground, but it's all I could think of.)
matt davies
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Mar 17, 2012
not climbing
stay on the trail to prevent erosion and
look out for snakes
Mark Roth
From Boulder
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Mar 17, 2012
Lincoln Lake
What the heck Mike Lane, where did your post go? I thought it was pretty darn funny. Oh well, keep those suggestions coming folks. Mike Morin
From On the Road
Joined Nov 4, 2007
1,278 points
Mar 17, 2012
No shooting, of the climbers

Unattended children get a free harness, puppy, and can be retrieved at the nearest anchor

Humans: Mind your dogs!
Dogs: Woof-Woof, Bark! Good Dog!!
Buff Johnson
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Mar 17, 2012
Stabby
Mike Morin wrote:
What the heck Mike Lane, where did your post go? I thought it was pretty darn funny. Oh well, keep those suggestions coming folks.

I had my Irish on last night, this morning noticed everyone else was being serious. I'll re-construct:
Do not feed the climbers
Do not make eye contact
Keep your daughters in the car
They fart on purpose
Tips are appreciated
Warning: obscenities ahead
Mike Lane
From Centennial, CO
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Mar 17, 2012
WARNING!!
Excessive Signage Ahead!
(Please take notes)
Umph!
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Mar 17, 2012
No Dogs!!! Steve Williams
From Denver, CO
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Mar 17, 2012
Lots of good suggestions for the actual question, and I don't have any to add. But a related one, if there is an issue with non climbers up top: Some trail signage for the trails up top might be good. I haven't been on the loop up there in a while (from the other Table Mt. trailhead), but it was easy to get off route and onto a trail across the top of the climbing area. I believe the trail is supposed to be a bit north of there. Wayne
From Superior, CO
Joined Jul 5, 2007
17 points
Mar 17, 2012
ハローキティ 先に!!


or try one of those Chinese signs:
请在这里拍照!
"Shoot climbers here, and use camera!"
Buff Johnson
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Mar 17, 2012
2nd pitch handcrack of Good Evans
+1 NO DOGS Andrew S.
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Mar 17, 2012
after the hard stuff, into cruiser hands.
no dogs (and kids!) the last time I had the misfortune of climbing there I happened to find an empty area and by the time I had my rope flaked out there were 4 kids and 3 dogs all over our gear. NickinCO
From colorado
Joined Sep 17, 2010
239 points
Nov 16, 2012
Lincoln Lake
Once again thanks for the input all.

Climbing Sign
Climbing Sign


Here's what we came up with.

Cheers!
Mike Morin
From On the Road
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Nov 16, 2012
What, no "CLOSED" signs?????


hee hee hee. . .
Steve Williams
From Denver, CO
Joined Jul 15, 2005
61 points
Nov 16, 2012
Lincoln Lake
No :)

In fact check out where the closed sign used to be...

New Stairs
New Stairs
Mike Morin
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Administrator
Nov 19, 2012
Mike, NICE! Leo Paik
From Westminster, Colorado
Joined Jan 1, 2001
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Nov 21, 2012
Nice sign. I particularly like the first line. For the North Quarry "Expect steep loose terrain" is equally applicable for climbers. That cliff is chosstastic!

GO
GabeO
From New Haven, CT
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Nov 26, 2012
Lincoln Lake
Ha! Great point Gabe. Mike Morin
From On the Road
Joined Nov 4, 2007
1,278 points
Nov 26, 2012
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Pea...
Sooooo dubstep is going to be allowed?

OK, well none of that juggalo music at least.
Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Joined Jan 1, 2001
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