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By smassey
From CO
Aug 10, 2011

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By kennoyce
From Layton, UT
Aug 10, 2011
Climbing at the Gallery in Red Rocks

I sent my personalized email and signed the petition, If I lived closer or knew anyone who did I would certainly be attending or getting friends to attend the meeting on the 17th.


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By Tom Mulholland
From #1 Cheese Producing State!
Aug 10, 2011
Whiskey-a-Go-Go

Doug Foust wrote:
The more I think about it, it seems like it should be a simple issue for the commission: This land was zoned RU when it was purchased This land is currently zoned RU RU is appropriate zoning for this land The consensus of the residences of Clark County is overwhemingly in favor of this staying zoned RU I don't know how anyone could justify changing the zoning. What would be a justifiable argument to change the zoning?


Hi Doug,

Can you please explain what RU means, for those of us unfamiliar with zoning law?

Thanks


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By kennoyce
From Layton, UT
Aug 10, 2011
Climbing at the Gallery in Red Rocks

Tom Mulholland wrote:
Hi Doug, Can you please explain what RU means, for those of us unfamiliar with zoning law? Thanks


RU = Rural, it means a maximum of one house per 2 acres.


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By Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Aug 10, 2011
new toy

That land still needs to be remediated from the mining that has taken place, and infrastructure for any development would also be extensive.

So at the current zoning of 1 house per 2 acres, it will be unlikely for anything to be actually built up there. Even if some houses are built, it's definately not the track housing Rhodes is proposing.


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By Zappatista
Aug 11, 2011
Book me, officer.

I agree, Doug. The problem isn't a house or three in the desert, it's turning the area directly beside Red Rock into North Las Vegas Part Deux. And if rural housing levels aren't profitable on a huge scale, fine and good. Blue Diamond and Calico Basin have been doing quite nicely without being turned into homogenized carbon-copy suburbs.

Still laughing about "oxygen thief". So classic. Love it. Keep bumping, thanks for all the support everyone.


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By Daniel_L
From Orem, UT
Aug 11, 2011
Climbing the umbilical cord, the bolt just to my left was a spinner. Two really deep holds right there but they sound so hollow.

After reading the county planners recommendation I just sent the following email to all of the county commissioners. Hopefully my piss poor grammer doesn't hurt our cause too much. Feel free to use any of it for your own emails.

Dear Commissioner ____,

I am writing you again today about the proposal/plan to develop Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area. I have several concerns with your County Planners Recommendation and Review that I would like to discuss.

1) Under the Background/Land Transfer portion it says that the land exchange process is ongoing and still in the works. However, according to an email that was recently received from Bob Ross, the field manager for BLM in the area, there has been no applications or proposals received from the developers.

2) Under Analysis/Major Projects-Planning/Item 2: I would ask how you would prevent that from happening? I have been to the area several times and have reviewed all of the diagrams and proposals. I would imagine that if this development was allowed to happen, that at some point the residents of the development would demand access to SR 159.

3) Under Analysis/Major Projects-Planning/ Item 11: The developer has attempted to address this in their proposal. Their claim is that it will have little if any impact. I am confident any independent analysis or analysis by the EPA, BLM, DFW, or other government agency would prove otherwise.

4) Under Analysis Major Projects-Planning, it is also stated that the conservation area will, "be impacted by the proposed project whether those impacts are real or imagined". I would first argue that the impacts are real. Second, I would argue that if people who enjoy RRCNCA "imagine" negative impacts, that for them when they visit the conservation area afterwards, the impact will be real.

5) The staff recommends that this development should be approved. First of all I firmly believe this is the wrong answer. Second, how can you take this recommendation seriously? They recommend that it is approved based on the number of residences being reduced as determined by the County Commissioners. Are the County Commissioners all engineers and scientists who are able to determine how many houses are appropriate? I propose that before the Board of Commissioners even thinks about approving it that they create an independent committee of scientists and engineers from both the private and public sector, paid for by the developer, to analyze how many residences would be appropriate IF approved.

My final issue with this recommendation is that they seem to ignore all the issue's that they bring up when giving their recommendation. They have so many issues with the proposal and plan, and then say to go ahead and approve it as long as you reduce the residences, which doesn't address most of their concerns. I would ask that you deny this developers plan to develop in the area. If you cannot bring yourself to flat out deny the proposal, then I ask that you at least force the developer to conduct independent studies of the issues that the County Planners Staff, Clark County Residents, and RRCNCA visitors have brought up, and postpone your final decision on whether to approve or deny the proposal until this is complete.

I thank you for your time and hope that you will seriously consider the negative impact this development will have on Red Rock Canyon Conservation Area.

Sincerely,

Daniel Lemley


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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Aug 11, 2011

bump- nice post, Daniel.


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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Aug 11, 2011

bump! keep it alive folks, less than a week to go!


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By Wyeth
Aug 11, 2011

We're on board John!

Mountain Gear has started urging county commissioners to consider the impacts of the development on recreation and climbing in the NCA. We feel all climbers should be involved with this issue, so let's hop to it everyone!

For those new to the thread, and somehow wandering around this far toward the end... www.saveredrock.com to sign the petition.

Wyeth Larson
Sustainability Coordinator
Mountain Gear


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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Aug 12, 2011

thanks so much for your support, Wyeth- extend my thanks to Paul and Phil as well!


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By JPVallone
Aug 12, 2011

I took the time about 3 weeks ago to send a message and opositional letter to every email address on that list. I got quite a bit of responses from everyone I wrote too.

If everyone takes the time to write one letter and CC all the Email addresses there it could be overwhelming, Lets fight this thing, I wish I could go to the meeting.

They did respond to most of them, so keep them busy.

There are plenty of places in the dessert to build new cities. and that is what this is going to be a City.


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By smassey
From CO
Aug 12, 2011

bump. Thanks Mountain Gear for jumping on it! Good to have some corporate support for this endeavor.


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By Jason D. Martin
Aug 12, 2011
Jason

I just spoke to Susan Brager for quite a while about the development situation. Her position is that they are going to approve the concept plan and then handcuff the project with density and with where they can put streetlights and such.

Ms. Brager said that the board legally has to approve the conceptual project. And she stated that part of the oppositions problem is that they're not bringing legitimate obstacles to the table. In other words, are there tortoises up there? What are the water issues? Is there an endangered plant up there? And so on...

In the phone call, I got the impression that she is opposed to the project. She said that the first proposal was 16,000 houses and that she's worked it down from there.

So it seemed like she was on our side. And if she's telling the truth and can put so many restrictions on the project that it isn't reasonable to build, then maybe...just maybe...it won't happen...

That said, it was clear that she had been through the ringer listening to people complain about the project. WE HAVE TO KEEP THE PRESSURE ON!!!!

Jason


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By Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Aug 12, 2011
new toy

Jason,

Isn't the land still zoned RU? Does the commission legally have to approve a zone change? I guess we really need a real estate lawyer/developemnt lawyer, because this doesn't make sense to me. I'm going to try to call Susan myself.

Thanks,

Doug


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By Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Aug 12, 2011
new toy

I left commissioner Brager a message. I'm trying to find out why they would have to approve a conceptual plan that exceeded the current zoning.


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By Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Aug 12, 2011
new toy

I just spoke with Steve Sisolak's assistant. She really didn't tell me much on his viewpoint but did say they've received 1,100 emails....that's seems like a low number....let's step it up!


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By Andy Bennett
From Tucson, AZ
Aug 13, 2011

BUMP


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By Eric and Lucie
From Boulder, CO
Aug 13, 2011

just sent another set of e-mails, this time asking for more details about whatever legal constraints exist.
Did anyone ever find a copy of the settlement between Clark county and the developer?


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By Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Aug 13, 2011
new toy

Eric and Lucie wrote:
just sent another set of e-mails, this time asking for more details about whatever legal constraints exist. Did anyone ever find a copy of the settlement between Clark county and the developer?


3 documents are at the bottom of this page:

saveredrock.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id>>>

1) 2011 County Planners' Recommendation
2) 2011 Red Rock Citizen's Advisory Council Recommendation
3) 2010 Settlement Agreement

Page 4, lines 7-11 of the settlement agreement:

"M. The County and Gypsum recognize that through this Agreement there are no guarantees, commitments or binding obligations by County to approve a Major Project application, or to approve any uses or increased densities proposed by Gypsum as part of any Major Project application and that the County retains discretion regarding any application submitted by Gypsum as a result of this Agreement"

I'm going to spend tomorrow researching Chapter 30.20 of the Clark County Code which seems to be the residing law over major project application.


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By Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Aug 13, 2011
new toy

I started printing out Title 30 Code and found this document:

www.clarkcountynv.gov/Depts/comprehensive_planning/zoning/Do>>>

30.04.020, Items 2, 6, 7, 9, 10, and 11 all are good arguments of why this land should stay RU.

This section of the code is the foundation that the commission should make decisions upon.


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By Eric and Lucie
From Boulder, CO
Aug 13, 2011

Thanks Doug! This helps a lot. I used the opportunity to send yet another round of e-mails with more specific arguments.

Everyone: let's keep this going! Officials are starting to take note of our action. Please e-mail the following before COB Tuesday! Even if you have already, it doesn't hurt to send another e-mail, following up on the replies you got.

WE NEED MORE E_MAILS!!!! ONLY FOUR DAYS LEFT!

Contact info:
Clark county commissioners:
All commissioners can be reached at: (702) 455-3500
All commissioners can receive faxes at: (702) 455-3271
Clark County Commissioners, 500 S. Grand Central Parkway, Las Vegas, NV 89155
Steve Sisolak, District A, ccdista@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Tom Collins, District B, ccdistb@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Larry Brown, District C, ccdistc@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Lawrence Weekly, District D, ccdistd@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Chris Giunchigliani, District E, ccdiste@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Susan Brager, District F, ccdistf@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Mary Beth Scow, District G, ccdistg@ClarkCountyNV.gov


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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Aug 13, 2011

good research, gents. i'm going to have a look and send further emails based on what i find.


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By John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Aug 14, 2011

bump! just a few days left, spread the word!


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By Jason Neve
From Las Vegas, NV
Aug 14, 2011

Spread the word beyond the climbing community, if your work place will let you post up the links and ask your co workers to help out. I work in restaurants and did just this and the response was great. It's an easy way to get more people involved even if they aren't climbers or red rock regulars, every email counts and the more diverse the opposition the better.


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