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Aug 12, 2011
thanks so much for your support, Wyeth- extend my thanks to Paul and Phil as well! John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 1, 2004
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Aug 12, 2011
I took the time about 3 weeks ago to send a message and opositional letter to every email address on that list. I got quite a bit of responses from everyone I wrote too.

If everyone takes the time to write one letter and CC all the Email addresses there it could be overwhelming, Lets fight this thing, I wish I could go to the meeting.

They did respond to most of them, so keep them busy.

There are plenty of places in the dessert to build new cities. and that is what this is going to be a City.
JPVallone
Joined Aug 25, 2004
199 points
Aug 12, 2011
bump. Thanks Mountain Gear for jumping on it! Good to have some corporate support for this endeavor. smassey
From CO
Joined Dec 2, 2008
345 points
Aug 12, 2011
Jason
I just spoke to Susan Brager for quite a while about the development situation. Her position is that they are going to approve the concept plan and then handcuff the project with density and with where they can put streetlights and such.

Ms. Brager said that the board legally has to approve the conceptual project. And she stated that part of the oppositions problem is that they're not bringing legitimate obstacles to the table. In other words, are there tortoises up there? What are the water issues? Is there an endangered plant up there? And so on...

In the phone call, I got the impression that she is opposed to the project. She said that the first proposal was 16,000 houses and that she's worked it down from there.

So it seemed like she was on our side. And if she's telling the truth and can put so many restrictions on the project that it isn't reasonable to build, then maybe...just maybe...it won't happen...

That said, it was clear that she had been through the ringer listening to people complain about the project. WE HAVE TO KEEP THE PRESSURE ON!!!!

Jason
Jason D. Martin
Joined Jan 1, 2005
661 points
Aug 12, 2011
new toy
Jason,

Isn't the land still zoned RU? Does the commission legally have to approve a zone change? I guess we really need a real estate lawyer/developemnt lawyer, because this doesn't make sense to me. I'm going to try to call Susan myself.

Thanks,

Doug
Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Joined Sep 14, 2008
191 points
Aug 12, 2011
new toy
I left commissioner Brager a message. I'm trying to find out why they would have to approve a conceptual plan that exceeded the current zoning. Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Joined Sep 14, 2008
191 points
Aug 12, 2011
new toy
I just spoke with Steve Sisolak's assistant. She really didn't tell me much on his viewpoint but did say they've received 1,100 emails....that's seems like a low number....let's step it up! Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Joined Sep 14, 2008
191 points
Aug 13, 2011
BUMP Andy Bennett
From Tucson, AZ
Joined Mar 22, 2006
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Aug 13, 2011
just sent another set of e-mails, this time asking for more details about whatever legal constraints exist.
Did anyone ever find a copy of the settlement between Clark county and the developer?
Eric and Lucie
From Boulder, CO
Joined Oct 14, 2004
154 points
Aug 13, 2011
new toy
Eric and Lucie wrote:
just sent another set of e-mails, this time asking for more details about whatever legal constraints exist. Did anyone ever find a copy of the settlement between Clark county and the developer?


3 documents are at the bottom of this page:

saveredrock.com/index.php?opti...

1) 2011 County Planners' Recommendation
2) 2011 Red Rock Citizen's Advisory Council Recommendation
3) 2010 Settlement Agreement

Page 4, lines 7-11 of the settlement agreement:

"M. The County and Gypsum recognize that through this Agreement there are no guarantees, commitments or binding obligations by County to approve a Major Project application, or to approve any uses or increased densities proposed by Gypsum as part of any Major Project application and that the County retains discretion regarding any application submitted by Gypsum as a result of this Agreement"

I'm going to spend tomorrow researching Chapter 30.20 of the Clark County Code which seems to be the residing law over major project application.
Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Joined Sep 14, 2008
191 points
Aug 13, 2011
new toy
I started printing out Title 30 Code and found this document:

clarkcountynv.gov/Depts/compre...

30.04.020, Items 2, 6, 7, 9, 10, and 11 all are good arguments of why this land should stay RU.

This section of the code is the foundation that the commission should make decisions upon.
Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Joined Sep 14, 2008
191 points
Aug 13, 2011
Thanks Doug! This helps a lot. I used the opportunity to send yet another round of e-mails with more specific arguments.

Everyone: let's keep this going! Officials are starting to take note of our action. Please e-mail the following before COB Tuesday! Even if you have already, it doesn't hurt to send another e-mail, following up on the replies you got.

WE NEED MORE E_MAILS!!!! ONLY FOUR DAYS LEFT!

Contact info:
Clark county commissioners:
All commissioners can be reached at: (702) 455-3500
All commissioners can receive faxes at: (702) 455-3271
Clark County Commissioners, 500 S. Grand Central Parkway, Las Vegas, NV 89155
Steve Sisolak, District A, ccdista@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Tom Collins, District B, ccdistb@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Larry Brown, District C, ccdistc@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Lawrence Weekly, District D, ccdistd@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Chris Giunchigliani, District E, ccdiste@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Susan Brager, District F, ccdistf@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Mary Beth Scow, District G, ccdistg@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Eric and Lucie
From Boulder, CO
Joined Oct 14, 2004
154 points
Aug 13, 2011
good research, gents. i'm going to have a look and send further emails based on what i find. John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 1, 2004
2,395 points
Aug 14, 2011
bump! just a few days left, spread the word! John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 1, 2004
2,395 points
Aug 14, 2011
Spread the word beyond the climbing community, if your work place will let you post up the links and ask your co workers to help out. I work in restaurants and did just this and the response was great. It's an easy way to get more people involved even if they aren't climbers or red rock regulars, every email counts and the more diverse the opposition the better. Jason Neve
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Jan 14, 2011
2 points
Aug 15, 2011
bump- the clock is ticking, just today and tomorrow left!!! John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 1, 2004
2,395 points
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Aug 15, 2011
JSH @ home  photo courtesy of Gabe Ostriker
Emails sent. Thanks to the people who posted addresses and letter examples here - you made it much easier for me!

It's just utterly ludicrous that in the most-oversupplied area with the steepest decline in existing home prices, someone proposes more. Transaction costs and palm greasing benefit the decision-makers in the short term, then the rest of us are left holding the bag of sh|t they leave behind.
JSH
Joined Apr 3, 2007
1,068 points
Aug 15, 2011
Castleton Summit Sunset
This isn't about providing housing for the populace, but about money making. Write those e-mails and let's save Red Rocks! Josh Cameron
From Moab, Colorado
Joined Nov 29, 2010
1,459 points
Aug 15, 2011
The remaining time is now counted in hours.
Get those e-mails going and let's beat this thing!
Eric and Lucie
From Boulder, CO
Joined Oct 14, 2004
154 points
Aug 15, 2011
this is an email response i received:



Mr. Williams:
Thank you for your e-mail . I appreciate your concerns regarding the protection and development of the Red Rock Overlay District. As you may know, in 2003, both the State of Nevada and Clark County adopted laws preventing landowners from applying for zone changes that increased density within the Red Rock Overlay District. The applicant filed lawsuits against both the State of Nevada and Clark County alleging that these laws were in violation of the constitutional right to equal protection under law. In 2009, the Federal Court struck down the State Law as unconstitutional. In 2010, as a result of the Federal Court's decision, Clark County approved a settlement agreement allowing the applicant to apply within a permitted portion of preapproved Exception Areas within the Red Rock Overlay to be planned as a Major Project. The initial step of this Major Project is the submittal of a concept plan, which is now being considered. The Board of County Commissioners is scheduled to hear the concept plan at our August 17th meeting.

As you may know, I was elected into office several months after the Board of County Commissioners agreed to the settlement agreement. I am currently reviewing all matters related to the lawsuit and settlement agreement at this time. It seems that the Board continues to have a great amount of discretion over what is ultimately planned within the Red Rock Overlay District. I look forward to reviewing the concept plan, and encourage you and all Red Rock enthusiasts to contact my office with suggestions and comments.

Sincerely,

MARY BETH SCOW

County Commissioner - District G
beny
Joined Dec 31, 2006
68 points
Aug 16, 2011
beny wrote:
this is an email response i received: Mr. Williams: Thank you for your e-mail . I appreciate your concerns regarding the protection and development of the Red Rock Overlay District. As you may know, in 2003, both the State of Nevada and Clark County adopted laws preventing landowners from applying for zone changes that increased density within the Red Rock Overlay District. The applicant filed lawsuits against both the State of Nevada and Clark County alleging that these laws were in violation of the constitutional right to equal protection under law. In 2009, the Federal Court struck down the State Law as unconstitutional. In 2010, as a result of the Federal Court's decision, Clark County approved a settlement agreement allowing the applicant to apply within a permitted portion of preapproved Exception Areas within the Red Rock Overlay to be planned as a Major Project. The initial step of this Major Project is the submittal of a concept plan, which is now being considered. The Board of County Commissioners is scheduled to hear the concept plan at our August 17th meeting. As you may know, I was elected into office several months after the Board of County Commissioners agreed to the settlement agreement. I am currently reviewing all matters related to the lawsuit and settlement agreement at this time. It seems that the Board continues to have a great amount of discretion over what is ultimately planned within the Red Rock Overlay District. I look forward to reviewing the concept plan, and encourage you and all Red Rock enthusiasts to contact my office with suggestions and comments. Sincerely, MARY BETH SCOW County Commissioner - District G



I got the same return, Copy and paste responses!
JPVallone
Joined Aug 25, 2004
199 points
Aug 16, 2011
Sent my opposition today thru the Access Fund's almost automated process. Super easy! If you haven't stated your opposition yet, you gotta do it. Go here: accessfund.org/c.tmL5KhNWLrH/b...

Get on it! Many thanks...
Steve Starsja
Steve Starsja
From Sterling, MA
Joined Jul 28, 2011
0 points
Aug 16, 2011
Thanks for posting that link Steve. It did make it really easy Seth Eidemiller
Joined Jun 15, 2010
0 points
Aug 16, 2011
Climbing at the Gallery in Red Rocks
Bump,

I just sent another email documenting more of my concerns!

Lets keep these emails going right up until the meeting.
kennoyce
From Layton, UT
Joined Aug 12, 2010
1,504 points
Aug 16, 2011
Hours left. Let's pick up the pace!!! Eric and Lucie
From Boulder, CO
Joined Oct 14, 2004
154 points


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