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Aug 6, 2011
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Daniel_L wrote:
Just got the following reply from Commissioner Brager: Thank you for contacting the Clark County Board of County Commissioners and sharing your viewpoint as it pertains to the Gypsum Reclamation Concept Plan. Just as constituent perspectives are integral to our decision making process, we must first adhere to the legal parameters imposed by the court. Please know that Commissioners are working to devise a plan which will be addressed at the August 17, 2011 meeting of the BCC. Susan Brager, Chair Clark County Board of County Commissioners


That response scares the crap out of me. It gives me the impression that they are already trying to come up with some BS justification for letting this go forward.

I haven't had the time to research this as much as I'd like...has anyone(hey access fund lawyers) actually read through the settlement agreement between Rhodes and Clark County?
Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
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The more I think about it, it seems like it should be a simple issue for the commission:

This land was zoned RU when it was purchased
This land is currently zoned RU
RU is appropriate zoning for this land
The consensus of the residences of Clark County is overwhemingly in favor of this staying zoned RU

I don't know how anyone could justify changing the zoning.

What would be a justifiable argument to change the zoning?
Doug Foust
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In the midst of all this very serious stuff, I just have to say (and hopefully this'll bump us back up to Page 1..)

Chad Umbel, well spoken. We disagree on some pretty huge subjects and will very likely never end up making s'mores and becoming golfing buddies, but...

THAT WAS THE FUNNIEST SHIT I'VE READ ALL WEEK.

No irony, no sarcasm, just admiration. Hilarious.

I don't do "plus ones". If I did, this would be where I'd "spend my ticket". Awesome. The internet can be so lame but MAN was today's five minutes worth it.
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Doug Foust wrote:
That response scares the crap out of me. It gives me the impression that they are already trying to come up with some BS justification for letting this go forward. I haven't had the time to research this as much as I'd like...has anyone(hey access fund lawyers) actually read through the settlement agreement between Rhodes and Clark County?


My thoughts exactly when I got the response.
Daniel_L
From Orem, UT
Joined Dec 19, 2010
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Aug 8, 2011
About 10 days left to make a difference!

Send your e-mails to the following:

Clark county commissioners:
All commissioners can be reached at: (702) 455-3500
All commissioners can receive faxes at: (702) 455-3271
Clark County Commissioners, 500 S. Grand Central Parkway, Las Vegas, NV 89155
Steve Sisolak, District A, ccdista@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Tom Collins, District B, ccdistb@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Larry Brown, District C, ccdistc@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Lawrence Weekly, District D, ccdistd@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Chris Giunchigliani, District E, ccdiste@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Susan Brager, District F, ccdistf@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Mary Beth Scow, District G, ccdistg@ClarkCountyNV.gov

US Senators and Representatives for NV: (and yes, even if you don't live in NV, it doesn't mean you shouldn't contact them)
Senator Harry Reid (D- NV), 202-224-3542, reid.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
Senator Dean Heller (R- NV), 202-224-6244, heller.senate.gov/contact_form.cfm
Representative Shelley Berkley (D-01), 202-225-5965, shelley.berkley@mail.house.gov
Representative Joe Heck (R-03), 202-225-3252, heck.house.gov/contact-me/emai...

Or, just go to the Access Fund Action page and use the robot:
www.accessfund.org/c.tmL5KhNWLrH/b.5208267/k.8C84/Action_Cen>>>

And if you live in the area, be at the critical meeting:
August 17 (Wednesday),
9:00 a.m.,
Clark County Government Building, Commission Chambers
GOVERNMENT CENTER
500 S. GRAND CENTRAL PARKWAY

Eric and Lucie
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Ugh. That picture is just infuriating. Peter Franzen
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I just sent an e-mail to each of the officials listed above. I urge that people write their own e-mails and not use the Access Fund cookie cutter thing, in my opinion, and if I were one of them, I'd see that as, this guy cares a little bit, but not enough to take 20 minutes to write a proper, full e-mail. Let's keep this thread active. Steve0
Joined Mar 21, 2010
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From Longtuckles
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Trying to stay on top of the issue, will email those who can do something about it. Klimbien
From St.George Orem Littleton Vegas
Joined Apr 22, 2009
284 points
Aug 8, 2011
Emails sent, petition signed. Unfortunately, I'm in the field in the Cascades of WA sitting in the rain when the meeting is scheduled. I will, however, try to listen to some inspirational music such as this on that day. Public Enemy - fight the power

Thanks everyone who put in the time to get involved. Everyone else, get your ass in gear.
smassey
From CO
Joined Dec 2, 2008
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Aug 8, 2011
Belay
Steve0 wrote:
I just sent an e-mail to each of the officials listed above. I urge that people write their own e-mails and not use the Access Fund cookie cutter thing, in my opinion, and if I were one of them, I'd see that as, this guy cares a little bit, but not enough to take 20 minutes to write a proper, full e-mail. Let's keep this thread active.

I agree with all of this.

I wrote up my own heart-felt letter, although I still received the same canned response that others have posted.

I hope that hundreds of people do actually show up next weeks. And bring cameras!! We may as well make an event out of this.
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I've had friends visit Red Rock and hope to do so myself someday. Sent cookie cutter email from Access Fund, hope it helps. Evan Johnson
From Minneapolis, MN
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Aug 9, 2011
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The Reply I received...

Thank you for taking the time to write.

My office is aware of the recent town hall discussions related to development plans for Blue Diamond Hill. I understand and appreciate your concerns for the visual and other effects that development could have on the Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area.

Most of the land on Blue Diamond Hill is privately owned and is not under BLM’s jurisdiction. Development related to Blue Diamond Hill could come under BLM's jurisdiction for routes and other infrastructure that might need to cross BLM-administered lands, generally east of the hill. For example, a concept plan has shown potential access routes coming from the Summerlin area. The BLM could also become involved if we receive an application for a land exchange.

As of today's date, the BLM has received no land use applications or other proposals from the developers, other than the concept plan. If my office receives an application that the BLM can start processing, such as a right-of-way application or a land exchange proposal, I will do my best to notify you specifically, and I will contact the local public, generally, regarding opportunities to comment. Any official proposal received by the BLM will require the development of an environmental analysis. Our decision-making process is a public process, and your input is always welcome.

Thank you again for your note.

Sincerely,

Bob Ross, Field Manager
Klimbien
From St.George Orem Littleton Vegas
Joined Apr 22, 2009
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Aug 9, 2011
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I was looking at the saveredrock.com website and they have links to many of the documents regarding this issue.

There is a staff recomendation to the commission:

Staff Recommendation
Approval, with a reduction in the number of residences as determined by the Board of County
Commissioners.
If this request is approved, the Board and/or Commission finds that the application is consistent
with the standards and purpose enumerated in the Comprehensive Plan, Title 30, and/or the
Nevada Revised Statutes.


THE STAFF RECOMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS IS TO APPROVE THIS DEVELOPEMENT!!!!!!!

Let's not get complacent, it sounds like there is a likely chance that this will get approved.
Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Joined Sep 14, 2008
191 points
Aug 9, 2011
BUMP.

Classic clark county. Rhodes report says they need something like 5,000 or 5,500 homes up there to make the project financially viable.
John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 1, 2004
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Aug 9, 2011
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So, while I'm not saying precedents can't and won't be set, but is there a precedent for a development like this being stopped successfully in the past in that region? Or is there still a damn the torpedoes grow at any cost mentality?

Also, I was looking through the comment section on the article in the Las Vegas Review Journal. There were a lot of encouraging comments, such as people urging others to show up at the meeting on the 17th. On the other hand, I saw a couple comments about it being an improvement on "useless desert," and a lot of comments chastising those against the project for being against something that would create jobs.

I'm not a local, but I'll be sure to send some emails in the run up to the coming meeting. To those closer by, be sure to make yourselves heard at the meeting! I suspect the only way this will be stopped is if the commissioners actually feel like there might be some opposition to their re-election over this.
Dylan Colon
From Eugene, OR
Joined Jun 21, 2009
284 points
Aug 9, 2011
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What pisses me off is that Rhodes has done such a good job of divirting us away from the heart of the argument: Is RU the appropriate zoning for this land?

I think almost everyone except Rhodes and his people would say yes.

Both the State and County overwhemingly answered yes to this question when they enacted laws to prevent submission of a zone change. Just because these laws were challenged doesn't change the fact that RU is appropriate zoning.

All of a sudden Rhodes has us debating whether a road is possible from the east, how long temporary construction access from 159 will last, what will be seen from where....distracting everyone from the main point:

RU IS APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THIS LAND, ANY HIGHER DENSITY IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!
Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
Joined Sep 14, 2008
191 points
Aug 9, 2011
Doug Foust wrote:
What pisses me off is that Rhodes has done such a good job of divirting us away from the heart of the argument: Is RU the appropriate zoning for this land? I think almost everyone except Rhodes and his people would say yes. Both the State and County overwhemingly answered yes to this question when they enacted laws to prevent submission of a zone change. Just because these laws were challenged doesn't change the fact that RU is appropriate zoning. All of a sudden Rhodes has us debating whether a road is possible from the east, how long temporary construction access from 159 will last, what will be seen from where....distracting everyone from the main point: RU IS APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THIS LAND, ANY HIGHER DENSITY IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!


+1 totally agreed, Doug.
John Wilder
From Las Vegas, NV
Joined Feb 1, 2004
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Bump, keep voicing your opinion!

Here's the contact info (sources: saveredrock.com & blm.gov):

BLM Southern Nevada District Office:
Mary Jo Rugwell, District Manager,
4701 North Torrey Pines Drive
Las Vegas, NV 89130
Phone: 702-515-5000
Fax: 702-515-5023
Email: lvfoweb@blm.gov

Clark county commissioners:
All commissioners can be reached at: (702) 455-3500
All commissioners can receive faxes at: (702) 455-3271
Clark County Commissioners, 500 S. Grand Central Parkway, Las Vegas, NV 89155
Steve Sisolak, District A, ccdista@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Tom Collins, District B, ccdistb@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Larry Brown, District C, ccdistc@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Lawrence Weekly, District D, ccdistd@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Chris Giunchigliani, District E, ccdiste@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Susan Brager, District F, ccdistf@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Mary Beth Scow, District G, ccdistg@ClarkCountyNV.gov

US Senators and Representatives for NV: (and yes, even if you don't live in NV, it doesn't mean you shouldn't contact them)
Senator Harry Reid (D- NV), 202-224-3542, reid.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
Senator Dean Heller (R- NV), 202-224-6244, heller.senate.gov/contact_form.cfm
Representative Shelley Berkley (D-01), 202-225-5965, shelley.berkley@mail.house.gov
Representative Joe Heck (R-03), 202-225-3252, heck.house.gov/contact-me/emai...
Daniel_L
From Orem, UT
Joined Dec 19, 2010
16 points
Aug 9, 2011
I e-mailed several days ago, but just got this response, it shows that one of the commissioners is on the right path:


"Thank you for your email. On behalf of Commissioner Giunchigliani:
As you know, I voted against allowing the development last year and my concerns have not changed.

Regards,
Marcie Whelan
Executive Assistant to
Commissioner Giunchigliani"
S.Stelli
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Joined Dec 21, 2009
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Aug 9, 2011
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Andy Kowles
From Longtuckles
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Aug 9, 2011
emails sent. please keep this up. beny
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Aug 10, 2011
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