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Emails sent, petition signed. Unfortunately, I'm in the field in the Cascades of WA sitting in the rain when the meeting is scheduled. I will, however, try to listen to some inspirational music such as this on that day. Public Enemy - fight the power

Thanks everyone who put in the time to get involved. Everyone else, get your ass in gear.
smassey
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Steve0 wrote:
I just sent an e-mail to each of the officials listed above. I urge that people write their own e-mails and not use the Access Fund cookie cutter thing, in my opinion, and if I were one of them, I'd see that as, this guy cares a little bit, but not enough to take 20 minutes to write a proper, full e-mail. Let's keep this thread active.

I agree with all of this.

I wrote up my own heart-felt letter, although I still received the same canned response that others have posted.

I hope that hundreds of people do actually show up next weeks. And bring cameras!! We may as well make an event out of this.
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I've had friends visit Red Rock and hope to do so myself someday. Sent cookie cutter email from Access Fund, hope it helps. Evan Johnson
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The Reply I received...

Thank you for taking the time to write.

My office is aware of the recent town hall discussions related to development plans for Blue Diamond Hill. I understand and appreciate your concerns for the visual and other effects that development could have on the Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area.

Most of the land on Blue Diamond Hill is privately owned and is not under BLM’s jurisdiction. Development related to Blue Diamond Hill could come under BLM's jurisdiction for routes and other infrastructure that might need to cross BLM-administered lands, generally east of the hill. For example, a concept plan has shown potential access routes coming from the Summerlin area. The BLM could also become involved if we receive an application for a land exchange.

As of today's date, the BLM has received no land use applications or other proposals from the developers, other than the concept plan. If my office receives an application that the BLM can start processing, such as a right-of-way application or a land exchange proposal, I will do my best to notify you specifically, and I will contact the local public, generally, regarding opportunities to comment. Any official proposal received by the BLM will require the development of an environmental analysis. Our decision-making process is a public process, and your input is always welcome.

Thank you again for your note.

Sincerely,

Bob Ross, Field Manager
Klimbien
From St.George Orem Littleton Vegas
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I was looking at the saveredrock.com website and they have links to many of the documents regarding this issue.

There is a staff recomendation to the commission:

Staff Recommendation
Approval, with a reduction in the number of residences as determined by the Board of County
Commissioners.
If this request is approved, the Board and/or Commission finds that the application is consistent
with the standards and purpose enumerated in the Comprehensive Plan, Title 30, and/or the
Nevada Revised Statutes.


THE STAFF RECOMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS IS TO APPROVE THIS DEVELOPEMENT!!!!!!!

Let's not get complacent, it sounds like there is a likely chance that this will get approved.
Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
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BUMP.

Classic clark county. Rhodes report says they need something like 5,000 or 5,500 homes up there to make the project financially viable.
John Wilder
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So, while I'm not saying precedents can't and won't be set, but is there a precedent for a development like this being stopped successfully in the past in that region? Or is there still a damn the torpedoes grow at any cost mentality?

Also, I was looking through the comment section on the article in the Las Vegas Review Journal. There were a lot of encouraging comments, such as people urging others to show up at the meeting on the 17th. On the other hand, I saw a couple comments about it being an improvement on "useless desert," and a lot of comments chastising those against the project for being against something that would create jobs.

I'm not a local, but I'll be sure to send some emails in the run up to the coming meeting. To those closer by, be sure to make yourselves heard at the meeting! I suspect the only way this will be stopped is if the commissioners actually feel like there might be some opposition to their re-election over this.
Dylan Colon
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What pisses me off is that Rhodes has done such a good job of divirting us away from the heart of the argument: Is RU the appropriate zoning for this land?

I think almost everyone except Rhodes and his people would say yes.

Both the State and County overwhemingly answered yes to this question when they enacted laws to prevent submission of a zone change. Just because these laws were challenged doesn't change the fact that RU is appropriate zoning.

All of a sudden Rhodes has us debating whether a road is possible from the east, how long temporary construction access from 159 will last, what will be seen from where....distracting everyone from the main point:

RU IS APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THIS LAND, ANY HIGHER DENSITY IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!
Doug Foust
From Henderson, Nevada
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Doug Foust wrote:
What pisses me off is that Rhodes has done such a good job of divirting us away from the heart of the argument: Is RU the appropriate zoning for this land? I think almost everyone except Rhodes and his people would say yes. Both the State and County overwhemingly answered yes to this question when they enacted laws to prevent submission of a zone change. Just because these laws were challenged doesn't change the fact that RU is appropriate zoning. All of a sudden Rhodes has us debating whether a road is possible from the east, how long temporary construction access from 159 will last, what will be seen from where....distracting everyone from the main point: RU IS APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THIS LAND, ANY HIGHER DENSITY IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!


+1 totally agreed, Doug.
John Wilder
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Bump, keep voicing your opinion!

Here's the contact info (sources: saveredrock.com & blm.gov):

BLM Southern Nevada District Office:
Mary Jo Rugwell, District Manager,
4701 North Torrey Pines Drive
Las Vegas, NV 89130
Phone: 702-515-5000
Fax: 702-515-5023
Email: lvfoweb@blm.gov

Clark county commissioners:
All commissioners can be reached at: (702) 455-3500
All commissioners can receive faxes at: (702) 455-3271
Clark County Commissioners, 500 S. Grand Central Parkway, Las Vegas, NV 89155
Steve Sisolak, District A, ccdista@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Tom Collins, District B, ccdistb@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Larry Brown, District C, ccdistc@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Lawrence Weekly, District D, ccdistd@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Chris Giunchigliani, District E, ccdiste@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Susan Brager, District F, ccdistf@ClarkCountyNV.gov
Mary Beth Scow, District G, ccdistg@ClarkCountyNV.gov

US Senators and Representatives for NV: (and yes, even if you don't live in NV, it doesn't mean you shouldn't contact them)
Senator Harry Reid (D- NV), 202-224-3542, reid.senate.gov/contact/index.cfm
Senator Dean Heller (R- NV), 202-224-6244, heller.senate.gov/contact_form.cfm
Representative Shelley Berkley (D-01), 202-225-5965, shelley.berkley@mail.house.gov
Representative Joe Heck (R-03), 202-225-3252, heck.house.gov/contact-me/emai...
Daniel_L
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I e-mailed several days ago, but just got this response, it shows that one of the commissioners is on the right path:


"Thank you for your email. On behalf of Commissioner Giunchigliani:
As you know, I voted against allowing the development last year and my concerns have not changed.

Regards,
Marcie Whelan
Executive Assistant to
Commissioner Giunchigliani"
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emails sent. please keep this up. beny
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I sent my personalized email and signed the petition, If I lived closer or knew anyone who did I would certainly be attending or getting friends to attend the meeting on the 17th. kennoyce
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Doug Foust wrote:
The more I think about it, it seems like it should be a simple issue for the commission: This land was zoned RU when it was purchased This land is currently zoned RU RU is appropriate zoning for this land The consensus of the residences of Clark County is overwhemingly in favor of this staying zoned RU I don't know how anyone could justify changing the zoning. What would be a justifiable argument to change the zoning?


Hi Doug,

Can you please explain what RU means, for those of us unfamiliar with zoning law?

Thanks
Tom Mulholland
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Tom Mulholland wrote:
Hi Doug, Can you please explain what RU means, for those of us unfamiliar with zoning law? Thanks


RU = Rural, it means a maximum of one house per 2 acres.
kennoyce
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That land still needs to be remediated from the mining that has taken place, and infrastructure for any development would also be extensive.

So at the current zoning of 1 house per 2 acres, it will be unlikely for anything to be actually built up there. Even if some houses are built, it's definately not the track housing Rhodes is proposing.
Doug Foust
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After reading the county planners recommendation I just sent the following email to all of the county commissioners. Hopefully my piss poor grammer doesn't hurt our cause too much. Feel free to use any of it for your own emails.

Dear Commissioner ____,

I am writing you again today about the proposal/plan to develop Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area. I have several concerns with your County Planners Recommendation and Review that I would like to discuss.

1) Under the Background/Land Transfer portion it says that the land exchange process is ongoing and still in the works. However, according to an email that was recently received from Bob Ross, the field manager for BLM in the area, there has been no applications or proposals received from the developers.

2) Under Analysis/Major Projects-Planning/Item 2: I would ask how you would prevent that from happening? I have been to the area several times and have reviewed all of the diagrams and proposals. I would imagine that if this development was allowed to happen, that at some point the residents of the development would demand access to SR 159.

3) Under Analysis/Major Projects-Planning/ Item 11: The developer has attempted to address this in their proposal. Their claim is that it will have little if any impact. I am confident any independent analysis or analysis by the EPA, BLM, DFW, or other government agency would prove otherwise.

4) Under Analysis Major Projects-Planning, it is also stated that the conservation area will, "be impacted by the proposed project whether those impacts are real or imagined". I would first argue that the impacts are real. Second, I would argue that if people who enjoy RRCNCA "imagine" negative impacts, that for them when they visit the conservation area afterwards, the impact will be real.

5) The staff recommends that this development should be approved. First of all I firmly believe this is the wrong answer. Second, how can you take this recommendation seriously? They recommend that it is approved based on the number of residences being reduced as determined by the County Commissioners. Are the County Commissioners all engineers and scientists who are able to determine how many houses are appropriate? I propose that before the Board of Commissioners even thinks about approving it that they create an independent committee of scientists and engineers from both the private and public sector, paid for by the developer, to analyze how many residences would be appropriate IF approved.

My final issue with this recommendation is that they seem to ignore all the issue's that they bring up when giving their recommendation. They have so many issues with the proposal and plan, and then say to go ahead and approve it as long as you reduce the residences, which doesn't address most of their concerns. I would ask that you deny this developers plan to develop in the area. If you cannot bring yourself to flat out deny the proposal, then I ask that you at least force the developer to conduct independent studies of the issues that the County Planners Staff, Clark County Residents, and RRCNCA visitors have brought up, and postpone your final decision on whether to approve or deny the proposal until this is complete.

I thank you for your time and hope that you will seriously consider the negative impact this development will have on Red Rock Canyon Conservation Area.

Sincerely,

Daniel Lemley
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bump- nice post, Daniel. John Wilder
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bump! keep it alive folks, less than a week to go! John Wilder
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We're on board John!

Mountain Gear has started urging county commissioners to consider the impacts of the development on recreation and climbing in the NCA. We feel all climbers should be involved with this issue, so let's hop to it everyone!

For those new to the thread, and somehow wandering around this far toward the end... saveredrock.com to sign the petition.

Wyeth Larson
Sustainability Coordinator
Mountain Gear
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