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By Weston L
From Summerlin, NV
Dec 9, 2013
Me at the good rest on Doggie Do

Mustard nails it on the North Tahoe guidebook. The Falcon Guide isn't supertopo-detailed, but it is a great starter and was all we had for the North Shore until a year or two ago when the new book came out. The new one has sweet historical pics, but that's about it...


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By Court
Dec 9, 2013

"Mustard nails it on the North Tahoe guidebook."
Especially with the comment about flipping from the description to the picture. I thought it just bothered me.


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By Weston L
From Summerlin, NV
Dec 11, 2013
Me at the good rest on Doggie Do

Try finding Disciples of the New Wave in that book...


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By Tahoeguy
Dec 11, 2013

Missing one route out of over 1,300. Try finding the over 700 routes not listed in any other guidebook on your own.
Wow, rough crowd on this site.

No wonder it took 20 years to get a new guidebook for Donner/North Shore (with route lines that you can actually figure out) Who would want that thankless job.
We should be thankful to ALL guidebook authors for their thankless efforts.


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By Court
Dec 11, 2013

Thankless??? I thanked him 40 times.

I do enjoy the book though. Just noting it has some drawbacks.


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By Greg Patrick
From Auburn, Ca
Dec 11, 2013

Bought the North Tahoe guide two years ago for my nephew, (My new "ropegun")Thoroughly enjoyed the chapter on the Tahoe climbing history. Brought back many good memories of when I was living and climbing there from 1978-1997. Seeing the old photos of climbers like Max Jones, Hudon, and Ron Kauk climbing at Donner bitd was really cool, those were the guys we were all trying (fruitlessly) to climb like back then.

I remember when the "White Guide" to Tahoe came out in the mid 80s. That was such an upgrade over the old stapled Beck guide that we had for Donner. Then the Falcon guide came out (early 90s?) and all was new again. Now there is a guidebook with full page color photos for Donner. Wish my climbing ability had kept pace with advances in guidebooks..

There always has been, and always will be, complaints about every guidebook, but they all keep getting better than they used to, as do the new "ropeguns".


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By Colonel Mustard
From Reno, NV
Dec 11, 2013
Colonel Mustard

Constructive, real feed back, Tahoe. Whoever writes the South Shore book could take a tip. Or just blame the customers for their opinion like you do instead.


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By John Jackson
Dec 12, 2013

Thought I should add to this dialogue (Since I wrote the new North Tahoe guide and it seems there might be some confusion on why some things were done how they were) Writing a guidebook that documents over 1200 routes, by necessity, requires making some difficult decisions about how much to include and what to condense.
Several years before the N. Tahoe guide was published (when it was still only about 80% finished) the book was up to over 800 pages in length, and still growing. At that time in its layout development most of the routes had lengthy descriptions, similar to Supertopo books, etc. As well, most of the route descriptions were on the page next to the photo/topos, or on the next page, . After much feedback, as well as getting the printing costs of a full color book, it became untenable to consider publishing an 800+ page guidebook, both from the practicality of hauling such a large tome to the crags as well as from a financial/marketing decision.
After much soul searching I decided that I was unwilling to take out any of the crags/routes (except for the uncompleted section on Bowman/The Emeralds, which was seeing a boom in new development anyway, and a minor crag in the Carson area) The “Locals Guide” series would be about documenting EVERY known route in a region as part of the historical record, and to prevent needless retro bolting on obscure routes.

In order to trim the guide down, from an unwieldly 800+ pages, to a workable 497 pages it was decided to:

1) Remove all of the redundant, and probably unnecessary, long winded descriptions of many, but not all, of the routes and replace that with a very brief description of the predominate type/types of climbing to be found on the route. ie finger crack, hand crack, low angle slab, overhanging face etc. , along with rating, height, and whether it was completely bolt protected or not (Bolt counts for routes with more than 10 bolts)
Most of the routes in the North Tahoe region, unfortunately, are predominately less than a full pitch and it was decided that about 90% of the long winded descriptions could be gleaned from standing at the bottom of the route, while looking at the full page, color route overlays of where the route goes anyway. However, many of the longer descriptions for multi pitch routes were retained, as well as comments about unusual information on the shorter routes that might not be obvious from below. (A bit different from many “newer” guides that have long, redundant descriptions, of very obvious route information, for every route) Again, this was done out of necessity to reduce the page count.

2) Decreased the font size on the entire book.

3) For each cliff/crag: Grouped and relocated the route descriptions together onto the same page/pages and put them just prior to the photo-topos pages for that cliff, instead of having them next to each photo. This allowed the opportunity to retain FULL page, color photos and again reduce the page count. (Originally there were some route description pages with only a couple of routes listed on a whole page, due to some of the photos only having a couple of routes) This is the one compromise that I TRULY REGRET, as there has been much feedback about not liking to "flip back" several pages to match the photos with the route numbers on some of the larger crags.

4) Removed rack recommendations listed for every route description (Gear recommendations were only listed by size typically) Instead, the makeup of a “standard Tahoe rack” was listed in the “How to use this guidebook” with only the additional pro (Above and beyond the recommended ‘standard” rack) listed for many of the routes. As was stated in the “How to use this guidebook” section: USUALLY, most often, the routes without supplemental gear recommendations could be climbed with a “standard” rack, but “Always assess your own gear requirements before leading a route!”

5) Removed the alphabetical order route index, but retained the index that listed every route by rating, as well as the recommended route index.

These revisions reduced the guide size down to a manageable 497 pages, instead of a behemoth 800+ page tome……

As a side note:

The all new layout template for the newly printed “Locals Guide to Northeast California” features a layout with most/all route descriptions and photo-topos located on the same page. Also, most/all routes have gear size recommendations listed with each, FULL route description and all bolt locations noted. With a route count of ONLY around 700+ routes we were able to accomadate this layout AND keep the page count under 500 pages again. We are quite happy with this new book layout!

Regarding the binding on the N. Tahoe guide:
I’ve only been made aware of two bindings (in two years of sales) that have been defective. One was due to being left in a car in direct sunlight, on a HOT Sacramento day when it melted the binding glue that attached the cover to the, fully sewn together, binded pages. Guessing that the other bad binding I saw was due to this cause as well. (Both copies were promptly replaced btw).
Countless climbers have used this guide without any binding issues, but I will ask around to see if anyone else has seen this as a problem. If anyone has a book with a defective binding, they can contact me directly at jackson.johnchris@yahoo.com. In any case, Camp 4 Press is having a different plant print and bind their upcoming guide books (From being printed in Hong Kong/China to being printed in Korea for faster turnaround times) The new, super durable covers look great, btw.
As for the printing quality I will have to disagree with an above comment. The printing quality is of the BEST possible. I believe the comment was in reference to the two areas (Big Chief and Upper River Rock) which had a route numbering issue that was corrected BY HAND, and BEFORE a single copy was shipped out where some of the hand renumbering had the ink slightly smear. This again was NOT the printing, but an author obsessed with making sure all the info was accurate to the point of hiring someone to hand edit the numbering on EVERY copy on those two areas before they were distributed. (Seen many guidebooks with numerous mistakes, but never seen an author obsessed enough to hand correct them, even when they knew copies were still being shipped with mistakes)

Anyway…

Each “Locals Guide” by Camp 4 Press will certainly always be improved from the one before…and I appreciate any and all feedback.

Also.. I’ve been collecting input and new/obscure route info for a, distant, future 2nd edition. But I’m wrapped up assisting/publishing in several other guidebook projects the next couple of years before that will be looked at again.

Happy climbing all!

John Jackson


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By Court
Dec 12, 2013

with all this, how do you find time for your snowboarding career?


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By John Jackson
Dec 12, 2013

"with all this, how do you find time for your snowboarding career?"

lol..

Skier, former ski racer, long time professional ski race coach and former ski area general manager...but never a pro snowboarder...my snowboarding skills are quite modest actually..

You must be thinking of the other John Jackson that used to live in Tahoe, the pro snow boarder. Unfortunately, I'm old enough to be his dad (was married before he was even born)and have been climbing at Donner/Tahoe longer than he has been alive. Man that makes me feel old....


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By Court
Dec 12, 2013

you're not him?? I want my money back.
next i suppose you're gonna tell me warren harding was never president.


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