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Rational Expectations 

YDS: 5.7 French: 5a Ewbanks: 15 UIAA: V+ ZA: 13 British: MVS 4b

Type:  Sport, 60'
Consensus:  YDS: 5.7 French: 5a Ewbanks: 15 UIAA: V+ ZA: 13 British: MVS 4b [details]
FA: Romain Wacziarg & Matthew Fienup (January 2008)
New Route: Yes
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Submitted By: Matthew Fienup on Jan 21, 2008

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Fairly steep, exposed face climbing on nice, positive edges. Two small overhangs mix it up a little.

A fairly varied route considering the modest height. Excellent position from start to finish.


(1) Climb Blue In Green to reach the "Lunch Ledge" at the base of Rational Expectations.

(2)Move from the top of Snickerdoodle over to the base of Rational Expectations by making one 30-foot rappel, stepping across the chimney and then scrambling for about 10 feet while still protected by the rappel rope. For more info, click here

Climb Seven Steps to the top and rappel to the base of Adaptive Expectations or rappel back to the start of the route and then rap into the Central Gully, making one more rappel to reach the creek.


4 lead bolts (all 1/2" Rawls), a single 1-2" piece for the roof. Bolted top anchor.

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Rock Climbing Photo: Marisa Fienup on Rational Expectations, at the For...
Marisa Fienup on Rational Expectations, at the For...
Rock Climbing Photo: Rational Expectations topo
BETA PHOTO: Rational Expectations topo
Rock Climbing Photo: Romain Wacziarg climbs "Rational Expectations...
Romain Wacziarg climbs "Rational Expectations...
Rock Climbing Photo: Phil Fontilea, Rational Expectations (5.7) at the ...
Phil Fontilea, Rational Expectations (5.7) at the ...
Rock Climbing Photo: This circle shows the location of Rational Expecta...
BETA PHOTO: This circle shows the location of Rational Expecta...

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By Matthew Fienup
From: Ventura, CA
Mar 14, 2008

I led this route for the first time last week--WOW! Great rock, great exposure. If only this route were another 40 feet long...

In any case, don't let your partner grab the lead on this one.
By Ryan Kosh
From: Los Angeles, CA
Mar 25, 2009

Last two bolts are a bit runout (especially the last). I'd recommend bringing a few stoppers to protect this route. I placed one in between bolts 3 and 4 and another between the fourth bolt and the anchor. One of the better routes in the area.
By Wei-Li
From: Los Angeles, CA
Oct 20, 2014

Just led this 10/18/2014. There are NO bolts between the two overhangs. The moves aren't difficult but the exposure and run out bolts make the route a mental challenge.

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