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By Morgan Patterson
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Nov 20, 2012
Topo - Cliffs in Green
Not that anyone cares but I wouldn't rap on just a sling in anything less then a real true emergency where I had 0 biners or quicklinks.

Nylon on nylon is just a dumbass move and leaves a potential death trap for the next person to screw up and potentially kill themselves.

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By Kenan
Nov 20, 2012
Shelf Rd
Ian Stewart wrote:
Sure, you SHOULD run your rope through rounded metal if at all possible, as many people here have already said, but why are you so vehemently against other techniques that (even you admit) will work fine? I've never rapped directly off slings and wouldn't really like doing it, but if I found myself in a situation where I had to bail and rap off a few pitches without rap rings, I wouldn't think twice about cutting up some webbing/cord and rapping directly off it. Would I want to leave lockers or opposed biners when a few feet of webbing is sufficient? No. Would an engineer spend $100 million to build a bridge when $50 million is sufficient? No. It seems as though you think rapping directly off slings shouldn't even be discussed, but I think it's worth knowing about ALL the possibilities so that you can use all that knowledge for your particular solution. You never know what situation you'll find yourself in, and knowing that rapping directly off a sling is safe could save you from leaving other gear that you may need for something else. Just like I know that girth hitching a sling directly to a nut isn't the most desirable situation, too, but knowing that it's safe enough has helped me avoid other worse situations in the past.


I'm not against the discussion, I just think the tactic of rapping directly on slings/webbing needs to be labeled appropriately - a clearly less safe technique and one that is almost always avoidable by leaving some relatively cheap metal. You don't have to leave expensive lockers... If an alpine style wire-gate biner (gate taped shut) is too much to stomach, carry some quicklinks or rings.

These threads bother me because people are clearly coming here for advice and these are safety-related issues. In cases like this the correct answer (from my point of view) is so simple, but it doesn't appear that way because of all of the back and forth. A lot of people have gotten injured or killed from inadequate setups at rap anchors, so I just feel like the proper techniques should be emphasized.

In other words, YER GUNNA DIE!

;-)

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By Kenan
Nov 20, 2012
Shelf Rd
CaptainMo wrote:
Not that anyone cares but I wouldn't rap on just a sling in anything less then a real true emergency where I had 0 biners or quicklinks. Nylon on nylon is just a dumbass move and leaves a potential death trap for the next person to screw up and potentially kill themselves.


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By JaWiB
From Eugene, OR
Nov 20, 2012
As I was reading this thread, I thought I remembered another thread where someone mentioned pull tests done on slings that had a rope pulled through them which found their strength was significantly reduced. Does anyone else remember that, or is my memory wrong? I can't seem to find any results on google.

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By Old and Busted
From Centennial, CO
Nov 20, 2012
Stabby
This thread needs to die. Here's what you do with the sling problem:
Tie it so that you have a good 12" - 18" tail of webbing. Once you are all set to start the rap, light the tail. Rap fast, pull the frigging rope and then get out of the way of the flaming nylon wads dropping. Boom, no damaged sling to worry about! Jesus, lets all move on with our lives now

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