Quiet hrs in the High Peaks?!
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dec.ny.gov/regs/13942.html
Section 190(f)(3)(viii): quiet hours in the high peaks from 10pm to 7am. Above it is the text of the snowshoe rule (which is bullshit, and IS enforced, unlike the quiet hours regulation) Just an interesting snippet: didn't know about these quiet hours! |
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Geez. I'm surprised you can even walk into the place with all those regs. |
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Where is the height requirement? |
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"H" wrote:Geez. I'm surprised you can even walk into the place with all those regs.You can't in some circumstances. |
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If you camp further in than Marcy dam it will be quiet! Haha.. Just kidding I really don't know where you were. |
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Homeless Junkie from NEice? |
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Yes it is. Nice! Did the Haha... give it away? |
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I see this sort of rule coming into play more and more the more popular climbing, skiing, outdoor sports all together grow. Soon we will have referees on el cap (similar to the gendarme) and "headlight"out time at red river gorge. Free soloing will soon be outlawed (especially if someone in the publics eye dies) and you`ll have to place gear no more than x feet apart. If you're caught running it out you'll get a ticket. |
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A couple of years ago up by Colden and Avalanche Pass we had a ranger come through and force us to walk half an hour with her to borrow a bear keg for one night. After which we then had to walk a half hour back in the wrong direction the very next morning in order to return it before our 6 mile trek out. Watch out for the younger rangers too, always the most overzealous. Got a $325 dollar ticket in Colorado for a fire that was not mine from some shithead 20 year old who though he was THE law. |
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You gotta watch those young "studs" (referring to females also). After all of those years being picked on in school they are now able to release their revenge on everyone and like a young scorpion or snake the young are usually the deadliest (in the human case annoying). |
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wow... crazy snowshoe law. Well if anyone here is interested in doing some ski descents up there I'm eagerly looking for a partner and have always wanted to throw some turns. I don't ice climb but mountaineer and have crampons, mnt. axe, skins and snowshoes. |
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I still feel the DEC is decent as long as you're polite and represent yourself like you have common sense. You should hear some of the stories I have about people hiking the 46ers. No headlamps no crampons no idea where they are on top of no food or water. I came across a guy who drank out of the Ausable river because he only carried 16oz bottle off water he bought from the store before he hiked Gothics. Rules are there because people lack intelligence and responsibility to take care of themselves and the land they are enjoying. |
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The only time I have ever actually had a bear go after food is when it was in a cannister up in the Colden area...tossed it around the stream bed after we buried it in the rocks. Normally we tie it up but with a pulley/branch system so that the bag is way out of reach. For the most part my friends and I rely on still being young and being willing to be better and riskier tree climbers than the bears. Outside of the Colden/ Avalanche Pass area? Toss it in the bushes or hang it just above head height in a tree and hope its there in the morning. We are normally more concerned about the rangers than the bears per se. And its always such a pain in the ass to have to carry in the cannister. It fits what, like two people's food maybe? Sooo if you have three or more people for more than a day or so you have to carry two? Not happening. The Dacks are pretty much the only place where the keg is "mandatory" and it is quite annoying. |
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You have to use snowshoes if there is 8 inches or more of snow. Sounds reasonable to me. Besides, hiking in more than a couple of inches sucks anyway. And how many times have you been out in the woods, trying to get away from the noises of the city, and had to deal with some drunk asshat screaming his head off in the middle of the night? I've been there, and it's not fun. So while quiet hours seem a bit ridiculous, I can understand the need. Nobody is saying you need to be silent. That said, some rangers are jerks, but it's something we all have to deal with. |
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Kirby1013 wrote:The problem is people have postholed ski trails and skiers have flipped out. Now we're stuck with snowshoe Nazis!!This is the problem. Instead of bitching when you come across a "stupid" rule, perhaps you should ask yourself why the stupid rule is there in the first place. Now, I will agree that the ranger enforcement up in the Daks can be a little onerous at times and the rangers should perhaps use better judgement on when to enforce the rules; however, there is a reason for the snowshoe rule and it can be summed up by: "People are inconsiderate dumb@sses." Is it completely inconsiderate for ice climbers and hikers to posthole their way down a ski trail? Especially if said idiots are walking right down the middle of the damn trail instead of walking off to the side? Yeah, those people need a kick in the dick. Unfortunately, there are a LOT of inconsiderate morons, hence the rule. And what about the noise violation? I don't know, but maybe its there because a bunch of morons were regularly deciding to bring their boomboxes up into the woods a rave away the night...who knows. But my guess is that most seemingly stupid rules are there because otherwise the place would be a disaster. Does this screw up the ruleless wilderness experience that many of us are looking for? Yup. But you can blame your fellow stupid man and not the ranger. |
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Haven't been up there since the early 90's, but the only place I've run into drunk, loud, idiots is at campgrounds. How many people are humping into the backcountry and are that loud that they have to have a noise ordinance? |
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"H" wrote:Haven't been up there since the early 90's, but the only place I've run into drunk, loud, idiots is at campgrounds. How many people are humping into the backcountry and are that loud that they have to have a noise ordinance? If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it still make noise?Certainly wasn't the high peaks, but I was up at Pharoah Lake a few years ago and there was a super obnoxious group of guys there. Screaming obscenities at myself and my friends from the middle of the lake. I thought they were going to kill us in our sleep. |
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I went up colden via trap dike in Feb and came across a ranger writing a ticket for someone having a tent in an old designated campsite...apparently the designated site was moved and that area can no longer be used. Thing was no one was around to write the ticket to so they left it attached to the tent. |
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Handon you have to be the only hiker that hates bear kegs that much. You say carrying two cans for three people is not happening? You got to be joking. Look at it this way.. the can strapped to your pack gives a little more room in the backpack for other things. I've even used a daypack with a can for an overnighter. Bear canisters make great big wall toliets too!! |
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Rocking out.. I've heard lots of crazy stories like hikers almost being arrested for failing to have ID and making up names. I also know guys who have got away with it too. |
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Kirby1013 wrote: You are suppose have ID on your person at all times in the United States.Is this true? Can anyone cite a NY state law? I've had the same dialogue while in the high peaks, snowshoeless, while walking on a hardpacked trail--"well, even if we are approached by an overzealous ranger, how will he or she know who we are?" |