Question regarding locking carabiners on top rope set ups
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So i've taken some anchors classes and have a question regarding locking biners. When the guide was teaching us, he said that pretty much every part of a top rope anchor should have locking biners, as well as belay anchors. I was reading Bob Gaines' top roping book, and there is a section in the advanced anchors chapter where he delineates the "jtree anchor set up". In this case he has set up 2 three piece anchors, extended over the edge by a long static rope. If i was setting up a similar anchor would all those pieces "nuts, cams, bolts, etc." be connected with lockers, bringing the total number of lockers for the total set up to 8? or could you use regular biners for the cams and nuts? |
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Good question.... I personally use regular carabiners for trad anchor pieces, mostly because that's what I use when placing hardware on lead, so it's habit, I guess. If you've done it right there shouldn't be a problem, since the anchor pieces shouldn't be moving around, or at least not moving around as much as the hardware the rope runs through (which should always have lockers, reversed and opposed, etc.). That said, small locking biners don't weigh noticeably more than non-lockers, and they don't cost much more, so sure, why not? |
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You could use regular biners since it is a 6 point anchor... What are the chances of the cord coming out of ALL 6 of those anchors, even one is pretty unlikely. But as the other guy said, sure why not. Its definitely over kill to put a locker on each anchor point but do what makes you comfortable. |
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Peter Stokes wrote:Good question.... I personally use regular carabiners for trad anchor pieces, mostly because that's what I use when placing hardware on lead, so it's habit, I guess. If you've done it right there shouldn't be a problem, since the anchor pieces shouldn't be moving around, or at least not moving around as much as the hardware the rope runs through (which should always have lockers, reversed and opposed, etc.). That said, small locking biners don't weigh noticeably more than non-lockers, and they don't cost much more, so sure, why not?ditto! RockyMtnTed wrote:You could use regular biners since it is a 6 point anchor... What are the chances of the cord coming out of ALL 6 of those anchors, even one is pretty unlikely. But as the other guy said, sure why not. Its definitely over kill to put a locker on each anchor point but do what makes you comfortable. Now lets see how many people reply and say basically the same thing.... Go!Ditto! |
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Thanks for the suggestions guys! |
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When it's just me on a sport top rope I have no problem placing two long quickdraws opposite and opposed. |
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Not all carabiners have to be locking in this system. The two carabiners that the rope runs through should be lockers, but you can get away with two opposite and opposing. The reason the upper carabiners don't have to be lockers is because they are constantly weighted by the weight of the anchor (static, webbing, or cord). This weight will keep the carabiners from jumping and rotating. When someone falls in a TR setup, the rope can sometimes bounce around in the carabiners they are attached to, because the rope can go from weighted to unweighted. This is where it helps to have lockers, but you can also get away with QD's as someone else has said or alpine draws with just regular gates. |
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I have also top roped sport climbs with two quickdraws opposite and opposed quite often. At first it sketched me out a bit but then it became common place and wasn't a big deal. Then once climbing a lower angle climb where you couldn't see the anchor from the belay, the rope was twisted and after reaching the top one of the quickdraws had come unclipped. After coming unweighted the twist must of spun and unclipped a draw...luckily not both. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it not pretty common practice to lap sport routes with the anchor set up like that. Granted it was totally our fault that the ropes were twisted but scary none the less. |