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PushMi, Pull-Yu 

YDS: 5.6 French: 4c Ewbanks: 14 UIAA: V British: S 4b

   
Type: Trad, TR
Consensus:  YDS: 5.6 French: 4c Ewbanks: 14 UIAA: V British: S 4b [details]
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Submitted By: Tom Anderson-Brown on Apr 26, 2002
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Push-Mi, Pull-Yu is located on the long southeast face of Bill's Buttress. There are two cruxes. The first is getting up the initial 15-ft crack. Once above the crack continue up on ledges heading for the tree growing out of the wall. The second crux is getting past the tree. Move around to the right and under the tree staying in the shallow dihedral. Finish up on easier rock to the top.


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Standard Rack for lead, 60m rope for top rope.



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Vince barefoot. Photo by Andrew Burr.
Vince barefoot. Photo by Andrew Burr.
Push-Mi, Pull-Yu
BETA PHOTO: Push-Mi, Pull-Yu
Tom Anderson-Brown in sneakers on Push-Mi, Pull-Yu
Tom Anderson-Brown in sneakers on Push-Mi, Pull-Yu
Dave pullin' through a thin spot half-way up on Push-Mi, Pull-Yu
Dave pullin' through a thin spot half-way up on Pu...
Vince barefoot. Photo by Andrew Burr.
Vince barefoot. Photo by Andrew Burr.
Kristi on the first moves on PushMi, Pull-YU
Kristi on the first moves on PushMi, Pull-YU
Ben leads "Pushmi-pullyu". <br /> <br />Ben says "Easier than Berkeley!"
Ben leads "Pushmi-pullyu".

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By Anonymous
Jul 17, 2002

watch the zipper on this one. If you start on the sloping trail part of the base where the trees and bushes clear for a view of the "valley", your most likely first piece has a great nut-in-opposition placement you should utilize.

this route starts great, finishes ugly. at the top you can still "sew it up" but it's just not noteworthy verticle terrain. IMO.

By Doug Hemken
Administrator
Apr 16, 2007

There are at least three ways to start and at least three ways to finish this route. From the big alcove halfway up the route, you can do an awkward mantle left and either scramble up to the left or continue more or less straight up (I think this finish is prettiest). From the alcove you can also go around to the right and more or less straight up.

Can be led at 5.6 G with nuts and hexes.

By Ron L Long
From: Out yonder in Wisco.
Apr 23, 2007

I swear the tree mid route is more in the way then ever. Avoiding the tree almost makes the route a grade harder. Climbed the route this weekend, felt like chopping the tree down! But, since it was Earth Day I thought I would let it be a little while longer....still vowed I would never do the route again.

By James M Schroeder
From: Sauk County, WI
Apr 24, 2007
rating: 5.6 4c 14 V S 4b

I led this for the second time this season and it seems to me that the tree is getting larger and more in the way. I hate it when trees get in the way of my prisitne nature time.

By Jay Knower
Administrator
From: Plymouth, NH
Apr 24, 2007

This is a great climb. The tree is not a problem and the interesting climbing below the tree more than makes up for the five feet of awkwardness encountered when passing the tree. Plus, this is one of those few 100 footers at the Lake.

Don't let the above comments disuade you; this is a fantastic climb, and right up there with the other great 6's in the park: Brinton's, Berkely, Jacob's Ladder, Pine Tree Step Across, and Curving Crack.

By James M Schroeder
From: Sauk County, WI
Apr 24, 2007
rating: 5.6 4c 14 V S 4b

C'mon Jay-

When's the last time you climbed this thing? Five years ago? That tree has grown over time!!

Certainly a 4-star classic without the tree, but with it; it approaches a bomb!

By Jay Knower
Administrator
From: Plymouth, NH
Apr 24, 2007

I do the route every time I'm back at the Lake, James, and unless the tree has had a serious growth spurt in the past few months, I don't think it is much different. I do use the tree as a hold (or many holds), mind you, as avoiding it is an exercise in futility.

By James M Schroeder
From: Sauk County, WI
Apr 24, 2007
rating: 5.6 4c 14 V S 4b

I now see where are difference in opinion resides. I religiously avoid use of the tree (except for the purpose of slinging for pro), which of course makes the tree a giant pain in the arse. I suppose if one were to stoop to such ethical standards as pulling (and perhaps standing) on the local flora for upward progress perhaps this route wouldn't be so bad...

By Jay Knower
Administrator
From: Plymouth, NH
Apr 24, 2007

Hey, if it's there, use it.

By James M Schroeder
From: Sauk County, WI
Apr 24, 2007
rating: 5.6 4c 14 V S 4b

I think in the spirit of DL the tree is decidedly "off", just like an infinite number of easily reachable holds made of rock in the park. For instance when on Mouse's Misery, how tempting are the Solution Pockets of Mouse Tracks? I'll tell you; they're very tempting, but they're still "off". Even though they're there...

By Jay Knower
Administrator
From: Plymouth, NH
Apr 24, 2007

You are saying that the tree is in the way. If something is in the way, I think it's fair. The solution pockets on MM are not in the way but off to the side.

By James M Schroeder
From: Sauk County, WI
Apr 24, 2007
rating: 5.6 4c 14 V S 4b

Yes, the solution pockets are off to the side, but who's to say that if they weren't there that I wouldn't smear a little further out to my right...

By John W. Knoernschild
From: Wisconsin
Jul 7, 2007

Using a tree to help pull you up a climb is cheating in my book. You're out there to climb rock, not trees.

By Jesse Bond
Jul 11, 2007

If only Michael's project had a tree growing out of it then maybe it would get some love from Mr. Knower.

By John W. Knoernschild
From: Wisconsin
Aug 11, 2008

Well I am going to eat my words. I lead this the other day and that tree is heinous. It was very hard to move by and it kept grabbing my gear. I must admit, I stepped on it once to move up. That tree needs a serious trimming.

By Tradoholic
Jun 3, 2010
rating: 5.6 4c 14 V S 4b

Tree didn't bother me. The line more straight up to the tree is much better than the awkward mantle move to the ledge with the tree stump.

By Ryan Strong
From: Golden, CO
Sep 1, 2010

good long climb ...one of the "easier" 5.6 leads

By Ben Sherwin
May 16, 2011
rating: 5.6 4c 14 V S 4b

meh...probably could have done with out all the knee climbing. The one redeeming feature was that there is a ton of exposure...makes you start to think...even on toprope if just for a second.

By Josh Knapp
Jun 19, 2011
rating: 5.6 4c 14 V S 4b

One of the easier leads at the lake. Good fun route! Great route for fist time devils lakers and trad leaders. Much easier than coatimundi crack!

By Dan McDonald
From: sandy, ut
Aug 26, 2011

This route is 35 meters. You can still use a 60 m rope but it's a stretch. the belayer has to be on high ground:)

By Doug Hemken
Administrator
Aug 27, 2011

It all depends on where you set your TR (on lead, the old! 120 ft standard rope length is still plenty). Most TR set ups that I see are well below the top, using gear that is at or below the rim. With a setup like that, you seldom see a 60m rope that is more than a few feet short.

By Gokul
Jun 30, 2012
rating: 5.5 4b 13 IV+ MS 4a

Fun route, definitely soft for 5.6.