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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Jan 30, 2013
You stay away from mah pig!

Chris Small wrote:
@ Stephen and Camhead. The Bar (Quinta La Carreta) where the abductions occurred is about 200m from the entrance of La Posada, the main place where people stay at EPC. Homero's is directly across the street from this bar. I was in EPC to Jan 10 and was staying in the Casita closest to this place (80m away - checked with Google Earth) . The party's held at this place scared the crap out of me.


Ok, yeah, I remember that bar.

I'm a bit confused, though. Both the article linked most recently in this thread, and an article linked in another thread on mountainproject say that the band was abducted from the city of Sabinas Hidalgo, which is NOT the same Hidalgo near Potrero, it is like 50 miles away or so.


americanlivewire.com/cartel-behind-kidnapping-murders-of-kom>>>


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By steitz
From midcoast, maine
Jan 30, 2013

I'm really interested in some clarity on this and other people's insights as well.


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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Jan 30, 2013
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

From Mexican news El Indipendiente:

Sources from the State Investigation Agency confirmed Monday evening finding 12 bodies on a ranch located at kilometer 92 of the highway Monterrey-Monclova, including four of the dead are identified as group members Kolombia Kombo.

The bodies were found in a clandestine grave Mina Township, about 30 miles away from where he allegedly held his latest musical presentation, on a ranch called La Carreta of Potrero Chico Ejido, the municipality of Sabinas Hidalgo, north of the state capital

The bodies were recovered from the bottom of a well, near where they had disappeared days before the twenty components (twelve musicians and eight of his team) of the band.

On Friday, relatives of the artists complained that they were kidnapped after they liven up a private party at a place called La Carreta, in the municipality of Hidalgo.

Neighbors of where the group performed at the Thursday night reported hearing gunshots around 4 am, followed by the sound of several vehicles at full speed. Relatives of disappeared on Friday filed an official complaint, having received no response to their calls after the show and meet the artists vehicles stationed at the doors of the bar.

Since 2011, the Kombo Kolombia vallenato interpreted both in large venues like bars for small presentations. His reputation was on the rise after participating in "Monday cholos," a local television program, and every Sunday evenings enlivened by "The California Dancing Club".

Domene Jorge Zambrano, government security spokesman for Nuevo Leon, referring to the disappearance of the band members Kombo Kolombia revealed that the four bodies found on ranch road-Monclova Mina are in the facilities of the Medical Service local coroner to be identified by family members and DNA testing corresponding to confirm his full identity.

Interviewed in the information space of Joaquin Lopez Doriga, explained that one of the members of the group managed to escape from the place where the captives were released to the authorities the location where his kidnappers had planned to deposit the bodies of their comrades, this without To ensure many of them were deprived of life.

"We have as concrete data, it is located is a Ferris wheel, located on a farm at kilometer 90 on the road to Monclova Mina where so far, as of yesterday, had removed four of these bodies where it appears that it is the people belonging to this group, "he explained.

The state official said the search continued work on the ranch, as the wheel in question has a significant water depth, which has complicated efforts by the authorities.

When questioned about how the events occurred, Domene Zambrano explained that the group was presented Kolombia Kombo at the bar La Carreta, a warehouse located in the municipality of Hidalgo, "which took place this party, they manifest (the witnesses) arriving several armed men, about 10 in four vehicles and undergo (and staff members of the group) and deprived of freedom on Friday evening.

"This occurs on Friday evening, about eight or nine at night and since then began to spread the rumor that had been deprived of freedom. Started getting some complaints as authority by disappearance some of the family on Saturday. was was working on this yesterday and it was already aware of this person who managed to escape and as we start to search for the bodies of these people, "he said.

Finally, he said that, according to the statements of the member who escaped, blindfolded and taken by dirt roads to a place he did not identify, where he heard shots and a conversation in which his captors were discussing where to leave the bodies of his colleagues, but said that at the time, the witness in question has not said how managed to evade and seek in a nearby ranch.

"They brought a shirt alluding to the name of the group and, well, for now are these four, seemingly three with this dress," he said, and confirmed that the survivor is under guard of the National Defense Secretariat, authority took up the matter.

Domene released the names of those identified so far, but said that the work of other bodies and search for recognition continues. Not rule out that there were more deaths in the same place.

The four identified wore shirts that read "Mighty Kolombia Kombo, the creators of the best cumbia the planet." Their names are Jose Antonio Villarreal, 34, a native of Monterrey, Heimar Ivan Perez, a Colombian national, Jose Santos Lopez, a native of Monterrey, saxophonist 39, and Victor Angel Santamaria, the staff of the group.

The official said it will be over tomorrow when authorities conduct a more thorough search at the site to determine if there are more bodies.

Also the member of the musical group that survived the assassination and not in Monterrey, and he was moved to another location to protect its integrity.


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By Ed Wright
Jan 30, 2013
Magic Ed

It was 87 degrees yesterday and everyone was climbing in the shade.


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By MTKirk
From Billings, MT
Jan 30, 2013
Me on Supercrack

Hot Tip!

Don't attend parties at the homes of drug lords in Mexico, or anywhere else.

Best to stay away form LA too! If you stand on the wrong corner in Compton someones gonna bust a cap in your ass!


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By George Bell
From Boulder, CO
Jan 30, 2013
Hip trouble ...

Why would anyone kill a band? I guess they were dealing drugs ...

What a sad state of affairs.


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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Jan 30, 2013
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

So what's the story on this in the Potrero, Ed? You haven't said anything about that and you live right there. What's the truth?


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By richard magill
Jan 30, 2013
Mountain Bike Action!

George Bell wrote:
Why would anyone kill a band? I guess they were dealing drugs ... What a sad state of affairs.


Answer:
I just read this book called El Narco by a guy named Grillo, apparently the music scene in Mexico has all kinds of entwinement with the cartels, they have this whole narco-ballad type of music where they glorify their gang over the adversary. The narco guys even pay bands to make music about them. And they murder guys who make them unhappy.

A little bit like gangster rap, but they have to pick a side and often get killed over it...NarcoCorrido - Wiki

It's a good book, check it out if you have the time. Amazon - El Narco


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By Stich
From Colorado Springs, Colorado
Jan 30, 2013
Coffee after freezing our asses off near James Peak.

Ballad of Heisenberg


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By Ian Stewart
Jan 30, 2013

Ed Wright wrote:
It was 87 degrees yesterday and everyone was climbing in the shade.


I don't think it's the weather people are worried about...


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By MTKirk
From Billings, MT
Jan 30, 2013
Me on Supercrack

Ballad of Heisenberg

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Curses! Beat me to it!!!!

Bonus points for the English translation.

Maybe everyone should stay away from Yosemite this year, it's so close to all the mayhem happening in the Stockton/Merced area.

www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57463951-504083/report-stock>>>

theprodigy.ucmerced.edu/article/merced-county-tops-homicide->>>


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By Eric Engberg
Jan 30, 2013

Ed Wright wrote:
It was 87 degrees yesterday and everyone was climbing in the shade.


So you admit that things are heating up?


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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Jan 30, 2013
You stay away from mah pig!

richard magill wrote:
Answer: I just read this book called El Narco by a guy named Grillo, apparently the music scene in Mexico has all kinds of entwinement with the cartels, they have this whole narco-ballad type of music where they glorify their gang over the adversary. The narco guys even pay bands to make music about them. And they murder guys who make them unhappy. A little bit like gangster rap, but they have to pick a side and often get killed over it...NarcoCorrido - Wiki It's a good book, check it out if you have the time. Amazon - El Narco


Yeah, it's a tradition that goes back to Prohibition, and beyond. A colleague of mine wrote his dissertation on narcocorridos.

However, a few articles that I read specifically stated that this group decidedly stayed away from the narco ballad genre. Tying them to this is like tying Jam Master J to Gangsta Rap.


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By Mike Hulse
Jan 30, 2013

I'm not sure why all the rumors around this thing happening at Homeros but from what I'm reading it happened in Sabinas Hidalgo and the bodies where found in Minas. (which honestly doesn't make a lot of sense seeing that Hidalgo is much closer to Minas as Sabinas Hidalgo) I also understand that this band had ties to the drug trade in some way. I'm planning on going there in 4 weeks and the inital reports freaked me out. Now I'm thinking it's the same ol' Mexico(well same ol' Mexico post 2008), travel in the morning, use a low profile vehicle, don't leave Potrero or go into town at night and you'll more likely be fine.

THIS IS THE IMAGE IF IT DID IN FACT TAKE PLACE IN SABINAS HIDALGO AND NOT HIDALGO.

Large Red Circle = Sabinas Hidalgo (where supposedly the Kidnapping took place) ; Small Red Circle (where the bodies were found) ; Blue Arrow (where Potrero Chico is located)
Large Red Circle = Sabinas Hidalgo (where supposedly the Kidnapping took place) ; Small Red Circle (where the bodies were found) ; Blue Arrow (where Potrero Chico is located)


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By richard magill
Jan 30, 2013
Mountain Bike Action!

Chris Small wrote:
@ Stephen and Camhead. The Bar (Quinta La Carreta) where the abductions occurred is about 200m from the entrance of La Posada, the main place where people stay at EPC. Homero's is directly across the street from this bar. I was in EPC to Jan 10 and was staying in the Casita closest to this place (80m away - checked with Google Earth) . The party's held at this place scared the crap out of me.



Well what is this all about if the location is wrong?


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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Jan 30, 2013
You stay away from mah pig!

richard magill wrote:
Well what is this all about if the location is wrong?


This is what I'm trying to figure out. I really want to find out if the band was, in fact, gigging and then kidnapped within a stones throw of Potrero (as Ed and a few other have said), or if it was 60 miles away in Sabinas Hidalgo. It is possible that the news sources mistook it, and erroneously said it happened in Sabinas, I guess. It would not make much sense to take bodies from Sabinas to Mina.


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By M Sprague
Administrator
From New England
Jan 30, 2013
Lichen head. Me, with my usual weatherbeaten, lichen covered look from scrubbing a new route.

"Now I'm thinking it's the same ol' Mexico(well same ol' Mexico post 2008), travel in the morning, use a low profile vehicle, don't leave Potrero or go into town at night and you'll more likely be fine"

and if you are not fine, you may be tortured to death, chopped up and thrown down a well. That is not something I particularly want to be thinking about while on vacation. Over 100k people have been killed. That is more than what is going on in Syria now. Sure, it is a larger country and over a little more time, but would you be heading off to Syria now if there was great climbing and cheap beer to be had?


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By Morgan Patterson
Administrator
Jan 30, 2013
Stoked...

Patrick Mcfadden wrote:
Every us news paper has it as Hildago. And seems to me that that is the case. So what to do, I have tickets to San Antonio. The plan was to bus to hildago. The real question it it any more or less safe before this happened? Or just more aware. What are the chances of lightning striking twice. Think I will take a taxi to la pasada from Monterrey. It would be great to hear from folks there!


Get some travelers insurance. . .


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By PatrickV
From Albuquerque, New Mexico
Jan 30, 2013
mexico

It seems feasible they would mix the smaller lesser known town for the larger one. Taxi sounds good, maybe avoid the bus for now. Do the Posada's offer rides for a fee? I thought I heard that somewhere.


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By Mike Hulse
Jan 30, 2013

The more I look into it the more it seems to be Hidalgo (Potrero Chico), as a number of climbers say the Ranch where the musicians were kidnapped is near Homeros and recognizable in the pictures.

www.mountainproject.com/v/el-potrero-chico-/107982712

I'm hearing that it was related to the musicians association with the drug trade from a friend living in Monterrey but that hasn't been verified.

I have a trip planned down there in 4 weeks but need to think real hard whether it's a good idea now. The level of cartel presence in Hidalgo is certainly concerning.


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By camhead
From Vandalia, Appalachia
Jan 30, 2013
You stay away from mah pig!

Mike Hulse wrote:
The more I look into it the more it seems to be Hidalgo (Potrero Chico), as a number of climbers say the Ranch where the musicians were kidnapped is near Homeros and recognizable in the pictures. www.mountainproject.com/v/el-potrero-chico-/107982712 I'm hearing that it was related to the musicians association with the drug trade from a friend living in Monterrey but that hasn't been verified. I have a trip planned down there in 4 weeks but need to think real hard whether it's a good idea now. The level of cartel presence in Hidalgo is certainly concerning.


Yeah, looking like you're right. The TV news piece that is linked in that thread is obviously showing (Potrero) Hidalgo. Sad.


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By PatrickV
From Albuquerque, New Mexico
Jan 30, 2013
mexico

I think its true the Narcos don't care too much about the gringos, but that isn't necessarily a positive. Caught up in the cross fire I don't think they would care much about the fate of a few climbers one way or the other. What if the party hadn't been private and some climbers wanted to sample the local nightlife across the street? What if you met some friendly locals at the base of the route who invited you out to the bar later? What if you took the bus to Hidalgo? usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-04-07-mexico-bus-kil>>>
Keeping your wits about you and realizing you stand out in Mexico is a good thing. Plenty of great people down there though, its a sad situation. I actually thought they were friendliest in the north, but things are a lot worse than when I was there.


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By JeremyB
Jan 30, 2013
Me warming up at LRC.

MURDER, DRUGS, CORRUPTION! CLIMBERS, STAY AWAY!!!

... so I don't have to deal with crowds at Potrero.


Seriously, 33k people died last year in the USA as a result of traffic accidents and are you still driving? You are statistically more likely to die driving to the crag than visiting Mexico.

Don't let fear-mongers keep you away, like they did a few years ago by adding Swine Flu to the list of reasons why not to go to Mexico. When this happens, it usually means it is a good time to visit (no crowds, good rates, etc.), and that is exactly what I did.


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By wankel7
From Indiana
Jan 30, 2013

In other news the war on drugs is going great! :(


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By M Sprague
Administrator
From New England
Jan 30, 2013
Lichen head. Me, with my usual weatherbeaten, lichen covered look from scrubbing a new route.

I'm not so sure of your statistical analyses there, Jeremy.


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